• Hey there Guest!
    If you enjoy BCF and find our forum a useful resource, if you appreciate not having ads pop up all over the place and you want to ensure we can stay online - Please consider supporting with an "optional" low-cost annual subscription.
    **Upgrade Now**
    (PS: Subscribers don't see this UGLY banner)
Tips
Tips

Carb Linkage Adjustment Tip

Brian N.

Jedi Hopeful
Offline
When testing the car for the past couple of weeks, the throttles seemed to open to fast, and slam shut too fast. The initial action of the pedal caused way too much actuation of the throttle butterflies.

This was caused by the linkage levers being in the wrong positions, partly due to the replacement of the ball joints. The new ones, as it turns out, are a bit longer, maybe 1/4 inch each or so. I noticed this when assyembling the linkage last November, but it wasn't until I rebuilt the carbs this month and eliminated all the other related problems that the meaning of this came to light.

As each rod gained new length (which could not be adjusted out with the threads, which were at limit), the next lever "down stream" would be cocked forward a bit. Well, the error is cumulative. However the angle of the top levers can be adjusted quite easily, but they must also be parallel (which is a function of adjustable connecting rod length), which the new ball joints would not permit. The middle rod, even at its shortest adjustment, forced its top lever way too high. Non parallel levers have an action multiplying (diminishing) effect. Which means lots of travel can be given to the downstream rod for the given push of the upstream rod. Not good. This causes the throttles at the other end of this Rube Goldberg linkage to jump open with the slightest first distance of pedal push, and to slam shut with little modulation as the pedal neared and reached full return.

The solution was to measure the adjustable rod length needed with the rod near the greatest tangent to the rotating shafts that it is connected to. (Because of the 75 or so degrees of shaft rotation needed, the rotation is set to actually begin about 5 degrees before greatest tangent).

Put another way, the rods need to be at ball joint centers, the same length as the distance from shaft axis to shaft axis.

The rods were cut down and additional 10-32 threads run down further on them to correctly accomodate the ball joints and lock nuts.

WOW! What a difference! Now we have full throttle actuation with all the fine modulation shifted to the opening end of the action instead of at the full open end of the action (where it was useless).

So, if you have a similar problem of too fast throttle opening, and too fast throttle closing, (which makes clutch operation heck) examine the linkage geometry. You may benefit from a similar modification and adjustment procedure.

All the best.

[ 04-22-2004: Message edited by: Brian N. ]</p>
 

Dave Russell

Yoda - R.I.P
Gold
Offline
Multiple carbs give this same effect. The more carbs the more opening area for a given pedal position. Progressive linkage tamed this quite a bit. Rember the dual four barrels with both carbs & all barrels set to open simultaneously? Impressive but hard to control.

As a point of interest, I knew a used car dealer who fiddled the linkage to purposely do what you are describing. Subjectively it gave the prospective buyer the impression that the engine was really powerful & responsive. They didn't realize that the last half of the pedal did practically nothing.
D

[ 04-22-2004: Message edited by: Dave Russell ]</p>
 
Similar threads
Thread starter Title Forum Replies Date
T TR2/3/3A Photo of front TR3 carb linkage Triumph 11
doc50 73 Midget Carb linkage confusion Spridgets 5
K TR2/3/3A SU horizontal carb linkage rod? Triumph 3
D BT7 tri-carb linkage set up Austin Healey 23
J Wanted WANTED; XK150 Triple Carb linkage Jaguar Classifieds 0
H T-Series Need carb linkage info for my TD MG 1
K TR2/3/3A Auxillary carb linkage return spring? Triumph 2
B Carb Linkage Issue [3000 MkI] Austin Healey 6
K TR2/3/3A Su carb rod linkage bell crank stud? Triumph 6
sundown TR6 carb linkage Triumph 7
M TR2/3/3A TR3 carb linkage Triumph 8
B Front carb choke linkage pin Triumph 5
M WTB: Tri Carb Choke Linkage Parts Austin Healey 8
TulsaFred 1275 carb linkage Spridgets 9
T TR4/4A Pictures of your TR4A w/ SU carb linkage set up Triumph 7
B T-Series MG TC carb linkage MG 2
Jim_Gruber Accelerator Cable termination on carb linkage Spridgets 10
Tinkerman SU H 6 Carb Linkage set up Triumph 16
tony barnhill MkI Midget Carb Linkage Question Spridgets 27
Bruce_B Picture of Carb Linkage?? Spridgets 6
T Ratco carb cable linkage Triumph 21
T Carb Linkage Conversion Triumph 3
T Carb Cable Linkage Triumph 22
S HS2 SU dual carb throttle/choke linkage Spridgets 10
P 1275 & Carb. Linkage for Bugeye Spridgets 4
DenverMGB Weber Carb 32/36 DGV - Choke Linkage? MG 18
C Carb linkage MG 1
Lin Carb Linkage and Throttle Cable Austin Healey 3
Lin Carb throttle linkage Triumph 11
C LCB header with 1500 single carb inlet manifold Spridgets 1
Southwarks TR2/3/3A Carb balance woes Triumph 6
K TR2/3/3A Adjusting the H6 SU carb jet? Triumph 1
S Weber carb set Other British Cars 7
S Spitfire Triumph Spitfire 1300 engine SU carb problem Triumph 10
S Carb Problem Austin Healey 13
S Leaking HD6 Rear Carb Austin Healey 10
wangdango Carb Rebuild Necessity Austin Healey 3
M New Member with an HD8 Carb Question Austin Healey 1
craigshealey3000 Carb Tuning for Cold Starts Austin Healey 2
J TR6 Stromberg Carb Mixture Adjustment Triumph 6
G HD8 Carb Leak Austin Healey 7
K TR2/3/3A RE: Pulling the choke knob all the way out....the carb jets should be down how far? Triumph 5
G HD8 Carb Banjo Bolts Austin Healey 2
K TR2/3/3A Setting the SU carb jet again....... Triumph 2
Zitch SOLD!! SOLD - Tri-Carb Exhaust manifold for a 3000 Austin Healey Classifieds 0
P MGB Zenith 175 cd carb damper oil MG 2
P MGB 1980 MGB carb and oil questions MG 3
K TR2/3/3A TR-3B carb question Triumph 13
E MGB MGB ZS Carb 175CD MG 4
T Air Filter Recommendations for My Tri-Carb Austin Healey 7

Similar threads

Top