Which Is Worth More?

[HealeyRick]

Coming up at the Petersen Museum Auctions America event this weekend:

This documented 100M (albeit without the original motor):

Estimate $110-120,000

https://auctionsamerica.com/events/...rder&feature=&collection=&grouping=&category=

Or this very well done Nasty Boy:

Estimate $130-160,000

https://auctionsamerica.com/events/...rder&feature=&collection=&grouping=&category=


I'm rooting for the Nasty Boy, of course, so I can justify all the money I've spent over the years, but I think that estimate might be a bit high.

 

[nevets]

They are both worth more than I can afford, but if I was buying, I would pick the blue and white one.

 

[HealeyRick]

Is a documented 100M without its original motor worth more than a 100 with LeMans options? Guess we'll find out.

 

[DerekJ]

A documented 100M without the only thing that makes it a 100M - the engine. Overpriced. As I already have a 'normal' Healey I would take the nasty boy which looks fantastic. However I think that is overpriced as well, particularly as I imagine the market will be smaller than for a stock car.

 

[bighealeysource]

Don't think I would call the Nasty Boy a 100 with LeMans options, it's just a beautifully done Nasty Boy. Don't think you can compare the two. The 100M without the original engine could have a replacement with the correct pistons, cam, carbs, dizzy, etc and be the same as a Pontiac GTO Judge that was correct in every way except not the original engine. Will not sell for as much if numbers matching but still at a high price. The Nasty Boy will bring a good price with the provenance of the builder, the overall execution and to us Healey nuts, signed by Gerry Coker. We all know Rick is kinda partial to them Nasty Boys and like him, I would love to have this one in my garage too if I had the room and money ! But with any highly modified car, if the right buyer is out there and that's what he or she is looking for,then could bring a high price. However, not really an indication of the market value of 100M's versus Nasty Boy's, just two nice cars which will hopefully find good buyers who will drive them and not put in a garage or only trailer to shows.
Regards,
Mike

 

[simon1966]

I have to say that the Nasty Boy is awsome.

 

[dougie]

Both well over priced.....It will come down to having the right person in the room. I think the market for a "nasty boy" is much smaller, so I think the 100M will go for the higher price.

 

[MarshgrassA]

Glad someone besides me posed this question since I have been looking at them too and wondering.

While I think the "nasty boy" looks really good I like original cars with lots of documentation so would vote for the 100M (can't afford either at those prices) as going for more dollars.
It will be interesting to see.

 

[Sr_Pinguino]

I don’t know which is going to bring the highest bid, but I think the 100M would be unappealing to the serious collector due to its non-original engine and its over-polished cold air box and tag. The description is lacking lots of important details, for example are the body numbers matching, are the carbs from a TR3, etc. Isn’t a two-piece dash incorrect for a late BN2?

 

[Healey 100]

My guess is the Nasty will do better. There aren't a lot of Healey experts amongst the buyers at these venues. Rather, they are mostly wealthy car guys trying to add to their holdings. Flash is worth plenty and the Nasty is certainly flashy. I like that little aluminum Buick engine, don't recall seeing a Nasty with that engine choice.

 

[BoyRacer]

OK, So, I'm gonna jump in here and **** off some people. I'm a "nasty boy". I own a "modified" Healey. My Healey is not the "nasty boy". I'm the "nasty boy". I'm the owner. My car is a modified. Get it? Got it? Good!
Leory Joppa....leader of the pack.........help me out here.....what sayeth thou ??????

 

[richberman]

OK, So, I'm gonna jump in here and **** off some people. I'm a "nasty boy". I own a "modified" Healey. My Healey is not the "nasty boy". I'm the "nasty boy". I'm the owner. My car is a modified. Get it? Got it? Good!
Leory Joppa....leader of the pack.........help me out here.....what sayeth thou ??????

Ricjard,
I'd heard that about you! Quite nasty.....but only sometimes.

 

[HealeyRick]

OK, So, I'm gonna jump in here and **** off some people. I'm a "nasty boy". I own a "modified" Healey. My Healey is not the "nasty boy". I'm the "nasty boy". I'm the owner. My car is a modified. Get it? Got it? Good!
Leory Joppa....leader of the pack.........help me out here.....what sayeth thou ??????

Richard,

You got me thinking so I went back to my collection of "Wheelspinner" newsletters, the newsletter for modified Healeys, about the origin of the "Nasty Boys".

Here's a quote from a March 1991 Chatter article entitled "Donald's Nasty Boys" written by Ted Young:

"There are a lot more of you out there
and you need to come out of the closet,
be proud of that "Nasty Boy" that you
enjoy so much. "Donald's Nasty Boys"
really attract a lot of attention when they
gather in one spot. Yes, even at a Conclave
, where the so-called purists gather.
Those of you that attended Conclave '89
should remember the crowd that gathered
outside of the front of the hotel when the
"Nasty Boys" assembled for an impromptu
display of our wares!"

and another from Leroy "Weird Willie" Joppa, our fearless leader in the March/April 2009 "Wheelspinner":

"I wanted our modified type Healeys to have their own class for the car show and all driving
events. The Healey community had by now been referring to our type of modifieds as “Nasty
Boy”. Sounded good to me."

So I think the term "Nasty Boy" can correctly refer to either the owner/builder/driver or the car itseelf.

 

[HealeyRick]

Estimate $110-120,000

https://auctionsamerica.com/events/feature-lots.cfm?SaleCode=BB13&ID=r408&Order=runorder&feature=&collection=&grouping=&category

Update: Sold at $102,500!



Bidding was very spirited. Went up slowly in $1,000 increments from about $70k

 

[HealeyRick]

Estimate $130-160,000

https://auctionsamerica.com/events/...rder&feature=&collection=&grouping=&category=


I'm rooting for the Nasty Boy, of course, so I can justify all the money I've spent over the years, but I think that estimate might be a bit high.

Update: Sold at $75,000.

 

[dougie]

Two things I know for sure, Richard is truly a "Nasty Boy" and the market has spoken on which is "Worth More" on these 2 cars....

 

[steveg]

Auctions America sez as of 8/8/13: 100M sold for $112,750; Nasty Boy still for sale with high bid of $75,000.
See: https://tinyurl.com/k89eop4

 

[Editor_Reid]

Auctions America sez as of 8/8/13: 100M sold for $112,750; Nasty Boy still for sale with high bid of $75,000.
See: https://tinyurl.com/k89eop4

It is impressive that the 100M-minus-original-engine sold as well as it did, and even more impressive that the seller admitted that the engine was not the original. Faking an engine number on these cars is child's play and the car might have sold at $150,000+ if it was a complete and accurate 100M. I'm nearly astonished that the engine replacement was admitted. Kudos to the honest seller, a rare entity among those selling 100Ms at auction.

 

[HealeyRick]

Maybe this M finished just about right. It didn't sell for as much as an M with it's original motor but it is still an original M car and sold for more than a 100 with dealer installed LeMans options would have. I watched the auction online live and the bidding for the M was really interesting. It seeemed to be the case of two people that both wanted it, battling it out $1,000 at a time. The auctioneer kept at it so long he asked for some oxygen. SteveG's price reflects the sales commission over the bid price I posted. The Nasty Boy is another area that it's tough to figure out a correct price. It fits into the resto mod category and seems pretty dependent on finding the right person in the room that the car speaks to. There was a second Nasty Boy on auction, a BN2 with a 289 Ford that sold for $60,500 : https://auctionsamerica.com/events/...ical&feature=&collection=&grouping=&category= Again, a very nicely done car but not quite in the league with the one that was a no-sale at $75k. I've called Gundy Insurance to double my coverage

This auction was not without controversy. Some of the entries were sold that were part of the Petersen collection to fund the restoration of the museum's building. Interesting story here: https://blog.hemmings.com/index.php...hird-of-its-collection-to-fund-new-direction/

 

[HealeyRick]

It is impressive that the 100M-minus-original-engine sold as well as it did, and even more impressive that the seller admitted that the engine was not the original. Faking an engine number on these cars is child's play and the car might have sold at $150,000+ if it was a complete and accurate 100M. I'm nearly astonished that the engine replacement was admitted. Kudos to the honest seller, a rare entity among those selling 100Ms at auction.

Maybe the credit goes back a little further than the seller. The car was restored by British Car Specialists in 1997 and the BMHIT certificate shown in the documentation is dated in that year. Can't imagine the Nocks playing numbers hanky panky, so there's probably a paper trail going back to at least 1997 that the motor doesn't match the BMHIT certificate.

Just goes to show how crazy car collecting is. Numbers matching, celebrity ownership, provenance all go into the mix of a car's "worth" even though most of it has nothing to do with how the car looks, drives and performs. I saw a joke today, that I cannot now find to credit that seems appropo

"A bloke goes into an antique shop and asks the proprietor, "How much for that brass rat in the window?" The owner replies, "A quid for the rat and 49,999 pounds for the story that goes with it."