Alan_Myers
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Hi all,
I'm trying decide on an exhaust on my TR4, but am having difficulty making choices. I'd really appreciate any suggestions you might have!
This car's engine is moderately tuned. It's intended for street use, but also autocross, maybe eventually some paved rally or vintage racing track time, too. Mostly at a "fun" level, though.
Major engine mods to consider: It has .125 milled head, AE 87mm pistons, oversize gas-flowed valves, 40mm Weber DCOEs, "D" cam and headers with a 2.5" ID outlet. I may replace the headers later, or have this old rusty one ceramic coated. Wrap might be used on a s/s header, but not the mild steel.
So, my challenge is to keep the motor breathing well, but not overly loudly since the car will have to be street legal (an enjoyable). I also want to maintain pretty good torque at lower RPMs.
And, you might as well know, the system I'm replacing was a homemade setup with a Ford muffler of unknown application and 2" ID pipe from front to rear. It really didn't sound too bad, maybe just a little strange. But it was pretty well shot after about 25 years on the car. It also made a nice "thump" over every bump!
I'd prefer a stainless steel system, but would still consider mild steel if it were better suited to the car and/or significantly cheaper. I plan to install a flex-coupling just behind the header to help prevent stress on the system. The car and frame are currently set up for a single exhaust. The header and/or flex coupling will have, or can have, welded bolt-up fittings or whatever.
Car is lowered significantly and sits on 195/60/15 tires. Not a lot of ground clearance, so any system needs to tuck up under pretty well.
Here are the choices I'm finding:
1. Monza performance, mild steel. I've heard good and bad reports on this system. A lot of folks seem to think it's too loud. Others say it tends to rust quickly. It is probably the cheapest at around $200, and easy to find. Uses stock hangers and mounting locations, I believe. I'm not sure the tube ID size is, though.
2. Falcon stainless, with "full flow" muffler(s). About $300. Uses stock hangers and mounting locations. 1-3/4" ID tubes. Some have said these are pretty good, maybe a bit loud. (I know, that's very subjective! Remember the Ford muffler, though!) The tube size seems a little small to me.
3. Bell stainless steel system. Haven't found a source, but have heard it's a good system. Specifications, cost, availability unknown.
4. A custom setup. Either a relatively simple the TR4 single-pipe setup with a single muffler at the rear or a more complex dual tube with a Y-pipe/reducer after a large main pipe passes through the frame, to a pair of smaller mufflers. I do like a dual system, but it seems overkill on a 4-cylinder engine. And there is added expense, plus possible problems routing near TR4 parking brake cables, for example. In either case, a custom system allows for more control over pipe diameters, etc. But, I'm not sure if it will make enough difference to worry about.
5. The most expensive route I'm not really considering. That would be getting one of the kits from the British suppliers such as Revington TR, who offers a 2-1/8" ID stainless "Rally" kit or a 2" ID stainless "Sport" kit. Higher prices, unfavorable exchange rates, shipping time/cost and duties all pretty much rule this option out. Too bad! Seems there is much more to choose from in England, than here in the U.S.!
Am I missing any options? Any suggestions which might be the best way to go here, or sources you can recommend?
TIA!
I'm trying decide on an exhaust on my TR4, but am having difficulty making choices. I'd really appreciate any suggestions you might have!
This car's engine is moderately tuned. It's intended for street use, but also autocross, maybe eventually some paved rally or vintage racing track time, too. Mostly at a "fun" level, though.
Major engine mods to consider: It has .125 milled head, AE 87mm pistons, oversize gas-flowed valves, 40mm Weber DCOEs, "D" cam and headers with a 2.5" ID outlet. I may replace the headers later, or have this old rusty one ceramic coated. Wrap might be used on a s/s header, but not the mild steel.
So, my challenge is to keep the motor breathing well, but not overly loudly since the car will have to be street legal (an enjoyable). I also want to maintain pretty good torque at lower RPMs.
And, you might as well know, the system I'm replacing was a homemade setup with a Ford muffler of unknown application and 2" ID pipe from front to rear. It really didn't sound too bad, maybe just a little strange. But it was pretty well shot after about 25 years on the car. It also made a nice "thump" over every bump!
I'd prefer a stainless steel system, but would still consider mild steel if it were better suited to the car and/or significantly cheaper. I plan to install a flex-coupling just behind the header to help prevent stress on the system. The car and frame are currently set up for a single exhaust. The header and/or flex coupling will have, or can have, welded bolt-up fittings or whatever.
Car is lowered significantly and sits on 195/60/15 tires. Not a lot of ground clearance, so any system needs to tuck up under pretty well.
Here are the choices I'm finding:
1. Monza performance, mild steel. I've heard good and bad reports on this system. A lot of folks seem to think it's too loud. Others say it tends to rust quickly. It is probably the cheapest at around $200, and easy to find. Uses stock hangers and mounting locations, I believe. I'm not sure the tube ID size is, though.
2. Falcon stainless, with "full flow" muffler(s). About $300. Uses stock hangers and mounting locations. 1-3/4" ID tubes. Some have said these are pretty good, maybe a bit loud. (I know, that's very subjective! Remember the Ford muffler, though!) The tube size seems a little small to me.
3. Bell stainless steel system. Haven't found a source, but have heard it's a good system. Specifications, cost, availability unknown.
4. A custom setup. Either a relatively simple the TR4 single-pipe setup with a single muffler at the rear or a more complex dual tube with a Y-pipe/reducer after a large main pipe passes through the frame, to a pair of smaller mufflers. I do like a dual system, but it seems overkill on a 4-cylinder engine. And there is added expense, plus possible problems routing near TR4 parking brake cables, for example. In either case, a custom system allows for more control over pipe diameters, etc. But, I'm not sure if it will make enough difference to worry about.
5. The most expensive route I'm not really considering. That would be getting one of the kits from the British suppliers such as Revington TR, who offers a 2-1/8" ID stainless "Rally" kit or a 2" ID stainless "Sport" kit. Higher prices, unfavorable exchange rates, shipping time/cost and duties all pretty much rule this option out. Too bad! Seems there is much more to choose from in England, than here in the U.S.!
Am I missing any options? Any suggestions which might be the best way to go here, or sources you can recommend?
TIA!