<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by willy_1959:
"just told" me that the dwell for a four cyl should be 90 ie 1/4 (4cyl) of a circle or 360. and that on a 6cyl it would be one sixth or 60. and on 8cyl it would be 45.
Let me know if i just learned the wrong thing, or I misinterpreted what I heard??<hr></blockquote>
Willy,
This may be more than you wanted to know.
The point closed time is the dwell time. In the case of a four cylinder with four cam lobes, there is a total of 90 degrees available for each lobe. Four times 90 equals 360 or one revolution. The 90 degrees is split up into 60 degrees point closed time (dwell) & 30 degrees open time for each lobe.
For a six cylinder cam there are only 60 degrees per lobe available & it is split into 35 degrees closed (dwell) & 25 degrees open.
An eight cylinder would have only 45 degrees total available & so on.
The dwell (amount of time that the points are closed) controls how much time is available to charge the coil. The longer the time the more charge & hotter spark. The spark fires when the points open & allow the built up magnetic force in the coil to collapse & generate a spark in the coil secondary.
As the rpm increases the dwell in degrees presents a shorter coil build up time & eventually there is not time enough to get the coil charged in time for its next discharge. The long dwell time of a four cylinder will provide adequate spark voltage up to eight or nine thousand rpm. At the other end of the spectrum, an eight cylinder engine will only have enough dwell time to charge the coil to maybe 5000 rpm.
This defficiency (short dwell) in eight cylinders used to be overcome by using dual points which were arranged in a semi overlapping configuration to provide more dwell time. One set of points opens the circuit & the other set closes the circuit. Some 12 cylinder engines used dual distributors to solve this problem.
If the cam were designed to give long closed times with very short open times the open/close cycle would require a very quick opening rate & due to the inertia of the movable point The point would not follow the cam.(point float) so there is a limit to how much dwell you can get with point ignition.
Many modern engines now use one coil per cylinder & electronically switch the low voltage to the coils. This eliminates all concerns of adequate dwell time, & rotor, cap & wire problems.
A point setting of .015 will usually do the job just fine. As the point rubbing block wears (points close up) the ignition timing will be retarded.
When the coil primary is charged through the closed points, as the points open the coil discharge current has to go somewhere. All it can do is arc across the points which rapidly burns the points. The condenser provides an alternate path fror the discharge current (bypasses the points). It also has a secondary function of electrically tuning the coil by allowing more rapid current discharge than just arcing across the points would.
D
[ 09-07-2003: Message edited by: Dave Russell ]</p>