• The Roadster Factory Recovery Fund - Friends, as you may have heard, The Roadster Factory, a respected British Car Parts business in PA, suffered a total loss in a fire on Christmas Day. Read about it, discuss or ask questions >> HERE. The Triumph Register of America is sponsoring a fund raiser to help TRF get back on their feet. If you can help, vist >> their GoFundMe page.
  • Hey there Guest!
    If you enjoy BCF and find our forum a useful resource, if you appreciate not having ads pop up all over the place and you want to ensure we can stay online - Please consider supporting with an "optional" low-cost annual subscription.
    **Upgrade Now**
    (PS: Subscribers don't see this UGLY banner)
Tips
Tips

Crooked/Straight?

aeronca65t

Great Pumpkin
Offline
Looks like when they built this little Italian formula car, they didn't worry about the engine being square. I guess the U-joints will take up the twist.
<span style='font-size: 8pt'> Seen at the Watkins Glen VRG/EMRA vintage event last weekend</span>

DSC03101.jpg
 

BIBBER

Jedi Knight
Offline
aeronca65t..that's bizzare...I know that on racers there is logical reason to offset the drive train..but there has to be a reason for this other than "THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE COULD GET IT TO FIT"...doesn't there?...I'd be interested in someone's logical explanation...it would seem under the torque it would be difficult to even keep u-joints in it...
 

coldplugs

Darth Vader
Country flag
Offline
It sure puts the shift lever in a more comfortable place. I presume it's a Stanguellini, yes? It also lets the driver sit lower.

It seems to me that many front engine formula cars in the 1950's had their engines at a slight angle, e.g. the Lancia-Ferrari D50. Many front engine-rear drive road cars had the front of the engine tilted up a little - same issues, just in a different plane. I suppose they wanted to get the driveshaft - hence the interior floor - lower.

Nice photo, by the way.
 

Banjo

Yoda
Country flag
Offline
It's gotta be all about lowering the center of gravity by getting the driver down next to the driveshaft instead of over top of it. Seems like that would have caused a lot of off center weight issues though......maybe not. I'm no engineer.
 

DrEntropy

Great Pumpkin
Platinum
Country flag
Offline
Anecdotal Colin Chapman tale has it he remarked once: "I could build the PERFECT race car if it weren't for the d***** DRIVER!"
 

Roger

Luke Skywalker
Bronze
Country flag
Offline
Coldplugs is right - many of the later front-engined racing cars had engines offset like that, including the Mercedes-Benz W196, Lancia D50, later Maserati 250F, Lotus 16, Ferrari Dino, etc.
They almost always drove to rear-mounted gearbox / final drive units, with the input shaft on one side or the other, and sometimes with the gearshafts running laterally, so the bevel was on the input side.
The notable exception of that era was the Vanwall, where the driver sat very high in comparison with his contemporaries.
 

78Z

Darth Vader
Country flag
Offline
The angle of the u-joints, driveshalf, etc isn't that bad compared to what some of the 4x4 guys have (just vertically). I suspect the u-joints would be just fine.
 

Banjo

Yoda
Country flag
Offline
coldplugs said:
70herald said:
Why are there three master cylinders? Its a bit old to have a dual circuit braking system. Hydraulic accelerator?

I'd guess a dual circuit brake system, plus a hydraulic clutch.
Yes. And the two brake masters (front and rear) a linked by a cross bar forming a "T". and by varing the placement of the brake pedal rod on that crossbar you can adjust the front/rear balance of the brakes.
It's so simple it's brilliant. I wish I had thought it up.
having dual circuits for the brakes is often a safety requirement, even in vintage cars. and this fills that order as well.
 
Similar threads
Thread starter Title Forum Replies Date
Tinkerman Got a Crooked Gearshift Lever! Triumph 11
K TR2/3/3A Checking a cylinder head with a straight edge to see if it's warped? Triumph 22
V MGB Replace late intake manifold angled breather with early model straight? MG 1
ROARRR For Sale 1930-40's AUSTIN 10 SALOON! straight, good glass, no through rust, very complete Austin Healey Classifieds 0
billspohn Engine Swapping for Straight 6 Power Other Cars 3
John Turney The Panhard Rod is Supposed to be Straight, Right? Austin Healey 7
D General Tech Straight line air sander Triumph 4
A Wanted MGC 6 cylinder straight in line engine and transmission MG Classifieds 3
Boink Back Straight-a-way at Portland International Raceway Spridgets 0
glemon T-Series World's Fastest TD [in a straight line] MG 3
RJS General TR Valvoline VR-1 20W-50 or Straight SAE 50 for OD Tranny? Triumph 16
CZ_Dave The freeway was to straight so... MG 9
T Bolts on straight vs tapered steering coupling Triumph 23
T Front frame damage & ability to get car "straight" Triumph 10
H TR2/3/3A TR3 Accelerator Shaft -- Straight or Bent? Triumph 9
K 1937 Daimler Light Straight Eight Other British Cars 4
W Straight shifter lever Spridgets 4
T Making straight cuts & smooth edges for patches Triumph 5
RickB Nice straight hood 4 sale on Craigs - will it fit? Spridgets 5
Woodie can't drive a straight line Spridgets 36
Baz Nine hours straight Midget work! Spridgets 11
A BJ8 - Won't Stop Straight after Caliper Rebuild Austin Healey 5
jaybird Let's get a few things straight MG 36
T A little pearl in a straight color paint ? Triumph 9
MattP Being tempted away from the straight and true. Other Cars 11

Similar threads

Top