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Several fuel injection sites (mostly V8)seem to think the world of the Lucas system, so I'm trying to figure out why the TR folk doesn't feel the same way.
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Hi,
That's comparing new apples to old apples. The TR P.I. system was fine, in its day. But, it's a pretty early automotive fuel injection design and not nearly so refined as today's iterations of EFI (be they from Lucas, Bosch, or whomever). Scarcity of parts and lack of good info about the original Lucas P.I. would be my biggest concerns. I suspect most modern systems would be superior in terms of overall reliability, too.
I bet you'll find the aftermarket EFI systems are about the priciest option. Luminition and Webcon (Weber) are the primary brands I'd consider, personally. These will really make the car go, if used along with other general tuning improvements and matched up with the right cam. Just add a full electronic igntion for a nearly complete modernization of that old TR6 motor!
One alternative is to pull a fairly modern used EFI out of a late-model car that has about the same 2500cc displacement as the TR6, then figure out how to adapt and graft it onto the TR. I suppose it depends on how much you like fiddling with this sort of thing and your knowledge and skill level. You might be able to use Goodparts or Weber intake manifolds as a starting point, modified to accommodate EFI. Some difficulties will probably include figuring out the rest of the fuel system (tank, filters, pump, feed & return lines, etc.), not to mention the wiring, sensors and computer controls.
This is where an already sorted out aftermarket kit such as those sold by Revington TR, already tested and tuned for a TR and with full, detailed installation instructions, might start looking very attracttive in spite of the extra, initial expense!
The triple carb setup is an interesting less expensive possiblity, although unlikely to approach the same level of performance. Goodparts' manifold might be used with SU carbs, too, if you wished to do so instead of ZS.
Don't know too much about the conversion of three ZS to act as TBI other than what I've seen on the I'net, but it's also a very interesting idea.
Both the ZS/TBI and the triple carb setup above give the benefit of a throat feeding two cylinders, rather than the less effective stock 2-carb setup with a throat feeding three cylinders. (Previous posts here talked about this.)
Other options might include the PRI approach that I've seen installed on both Spit 4-cyl. and GT6 6-cyl. engines. On the GT6, a total of six individual motorcycle carbs all lined up in a neat row looked (and sounded) pretty impressive! I don't know if PRI has a kit for TR6, yet. Might be worth asking!
www.prirace.com is their website.
Actually, the basic principle of the PRI approach isn't all that different from the triple Weber DCOE... One carb throat per cylinder.
I'd suggest you not dismiss the Weber sidedraft carb option, too quickly. I wouldn't call them finnicky carbs, just the opposite in fact. They require some fuss initially to be tuned really properly, but after that there is almost no way for them to go "out of tune". That's because fuel/air is nearly all controlled by fixed jets and venturi's. What makes them more complicated is that they are so incredibly precisely tunable, even for slightly different altitudes and differing air density/temperature, if you wish. Even if changes are needed later, it's usually a five minute swap of jets to make the adjustments. I have used them on the street for a number of years and can tell you that they can be set up to be flexible and usable there, too. Gas mileage doesn't need to be a very big issue, either, if the right Webers are chosen and used. We usually hear about 40 and 45DCOE Webers, where the size of the carb's throats are determining important factor. However, all these models have another number as a suffix, too. (Example: "40 DCOE 18" are installed on my TR4). There are a bunch of these suffixes, indicating a number of variations, which can be looked up in most Weber tuning books. One key differences between the variants is the length of the stroke of the acceleration pump. Shorter pump stroke carbs models will use less fuel (and are actually usually better performing on Triumphs). Plus, it's possible to customize the pump stroke even more with some simple modifications, too.
Weber gas mileage is also greatly effected by the size of the primary and secondary venturi, and the jets used to match, so can be tuned by going to smaller ones that give better low- to mid-rpm performance (street), rather than the usual approach of tuning with the largest venturi and jet possible for max power at the highest rpms (race-style). By the way, SU and ZS carbs that are modified for racing will also get significantly worse gas mileage.
Hey, there's an Eaton supercharger with a Holley carb, shown on the back of the current Moss catalog.
Or, get with AlanA (sorry Adrio) about his custom project, which combines fuel injection with a supercharger!
It really comes down to your $ budget balanced off against how much you want to work on sorting things out, either yourself or through a shop.
If you want an easy bolt-on kit, the top choice would probably be one of the EFI kits from Revington. While also at the top range of cost, one of thsee would be the most flexible and fuel gas efficient, but still providing very impressive performance. (Incidentally, the Webcon EFI system generally cannot be "mapped" or fine-tuned by the shade-tree mechanics, need to go to a Weber specialist for that. The Luminition system, on the other hand, allows some tuning via a standard laptop computer and, I think, some relatively affordable software. Either system from Revington comes set up with a map, initially, though.)
For originality's sake, the Lucas P.I. is about the only option, if EFI and it's improved performance is wanted. Might be cheaper than the aftermarket kits, but also might not be, once everything is tracked down, bought, sorted and done!
Certainly a used system from another car appears the least costly form of EFI, but may end up being more expensive than first thought, if individual parts need replacement or sevice, and a lot of fussing and tuning needs to be done to make it work.
Less costly would be a triple carb conversion from Goodparts, either ZS or SU. This should give a very nice performance improvement, but I would think won't be anywhere near as refined as EFI can be.
A TR6-specific triple Weber DCOE kit is more expensive, but is probably the closest to EFI-precision a carb system can get (possibly a PRI/MC carb setup is equal), just needing a little more fuss to get it fine tuned initially.
Heck, strictly in terms of fuel economy, a less expensive Weber dual downdraft carb kit is probably the very best choice, but would most likely be the least desirable in terms of performance.
Whatever you choose, you probably already know that well matched changes in terms of ignition system, exhaust system, camshaft, compression, valve size, porting and possibly more may be necessary - or at least very desirable - to get the full benefit of any intake improvements you make.
Keep us posted on what you do!
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