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Searcher, when you say the only way to make money is to sell, sell, sell. Is that the mechanics/technicians or the Service Manager? Those are the guys that most customers deal with.
If the guys in the back do not sell, how are they paid? Do some of them feel that they make enough money just working there for 8 or 9 hours? Just wondering if these guys feel they have to cheat a little to survive?
I just like to think that I know a few decent dealership mechanics that are ordinary guys working for a living.
 
Mechanics. The mechanic deals with the service writer, who deals with the customer. You are paid by commission. How many hours you get paid for a repair is determined by a book, which book is determined by if it is warranty or not. Factory Warranty books pay alot less time to do a job than say the Chilton book pays for the same job, non warranty. Here is an example of a conversation at a Buick dealership many years ago. 2 mechanics with nothing to do on a rainy Friday morning, watching another mechanic doing a state inspection. I was one of the watching mechanics. The mechanic doing the inspection pulls the front wheels and says, "it needs struts and brakes", the other watching mechanic says "you have enought brakes left to choke a horse", the mechanic doing the inspection says "I have a wife and kids to feed". Struts and brakes are very good paying jobs. In other words, you may do the job in 4 hours, and get paid for 6 or 8. Warranty, you may only be paid 1 hour, even if it takes 6 or 7. This is/was common place in auto repair, it ain't going to stop. You don't do any work, you don't get paid, its all about how many book hours you do, not how many hours you work. No hours, no pay. Also, your hours are from 7:30 to 5:00, but you are not paid by those hrs., you are paid by how many book hrs. you do. Also, 35 yrs. ago, a mechanic got half of the labor charged the customer, now, maybe 15-25%, per hr. In other words, if the dearlerships hourly rate was 8 bucks an hr. in 1972, the mechanic got half. So, the service writer and mechanic got creative to get a fair amount. Turns everybody into a "team player". Service work is crooked, medical, cars, boats, TV's, it's crooked. If you are not a "team player" they will run you off. The other side of the coin, there is not enought work to go around, there are too many of everthing. Commission turns people in to crooks, as it was designed to do. The service manager, now what do you think pay his based on? Well, he gets a cut of the hrs. the mechanics do, so, he/she will encourage the mechanics to sell, sell, sell.
 
I agree just run it for less than a minute and that won't hut it.

I have never heard of an alternator with a clutch on it. It definitely spins 100 % of the time but it's not always charging. Only when it needs too. Don't know how to exactly explain it but when the alternator is charging it gets a little juice from the battery and the coils develop a field that resists the spindle and puts a small load on the engine. Kinda like a electric motor running in reverse. When the alternator bearings go bad that's when you really hear them.
 
If you started it with out a belt and it made the noise than it can't be the water pump because it would not be turning. Start it again and use your scope to check the timing cover. Could be the tensioner. Is there sound deadening on the front of the cover? A lot of guys take it off the cover and complain about a noisy motor.

I was a little late on my previous post. How do you those quote thing in a box? I've tried with no success.
 
TheSearcherMan said:
Commission turns people in to crooks, as it was designed to do. The service manager, now what do you think pay his based on? Well, he gets a cut of the hrs. the mechanics do, so, he/she will encourage the mechanics to sell, sell, sell.
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Cynic.


...and I agree with ya... :sick:
 
TR3ATR250 said:
How do you those quote thing in a box? I've tried with no success.
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Reply using the "QUOTE" button, and it will do it for you. Or you can use the following syntax, but replacing the pointed brackets with square brackets:

<quote=USERNAME> Quoted text </quote>
 
My alternator screamed like that once.... Double aught buck shot put it out of its misery!! LOL! Now, I have a LOT of body/paint work to do! WINK!
 
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