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I've got one better. My son was given a minor extra credit for bringing supplies to school. Since when does bringing tissue to class warrant extra credit. :madder: We sent it anyway. :crazyeyes:
 
They've seen what a cash cow that Lotto is and have skimmed it for "other" projects. Much like Social Security in the Federal system.

Give elected officials more than two terms and "there ya go"... :madder:
 
terriphill said:
ALL parents should be given MINIMUM 2 paid days off of their jobs in the private sector EVERY YEAR to volunteer at their child's school.
"Come on by, help tutor a child or help with their homework, or serve as a chaperone on a field trip, or just be there to watch at lunch and on the playground....we would love to have you and we could always use the help."
I could use help keeping our computers running, making copies, cleaning my boards and desks, take pictures of kids doing kid things for the bulletin board or website...the list is endless!
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Sure why not. Just as soon as some teachers come and use the 3 months a year they get off to come and fix my garden, paint my house and clean my car.

My school taxes are well over $16k a year and rising. This is a very sore point for me, so you'll forgive me if I'm less than sympathetic to the burdens of teachers - who with tenure can make close to 6 figures in my area.

I should be grateful - at least this school district doesn't require teachers to be bilingual before they'll hire them, which stands in sharp contrast to the last area we lived in. Silly me - I thought we had one national language here, not two...
 
I'm glad I touched on a nerve with this one. I'm learning a lot.
 
I'm not sure where "three months comes from." We were in school until June 12 (including the week of meetings attended after the kids left) I reported back this year on August 1.
Due to the difficulties I had in my personal life this year, I was forced to stay home this summer and deal with contractors. Usually I attend 6 week classes at the local university in either technology or trying to keep up with the latest science stuff. Many of my co-workers also spent their time in workshops to keep up certification areas in pre-AP or gifted instruction or content area updates.
Yes, there are some teachers who do nothing during the summer, but they are few and far between. Most take advantage of that time to update their subject area knowledge or attend classes to keep up with the latest teaching methods.
BTW- I do not recieve salary credit or pay for these classes...and I pay the tuition out of that HUGE salary I get that is (at latest figure) 25% less than anyone else with a B.S. Degree in Wildlife Management biology and a Master's.
So, why do I do it...cause I'm good at it, the kids need me, and I love it!!! Plus it supports my LBC habit!
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]I'm not sure where "three months comes from".[/QUOTE]
Let's see. Two weeks at Xmas, a week in Feb, a week in April, 8 weeks in the summer. That's close enough to 3 months for government work.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]Yes, there are some teachers who do nothing during the summer, but they are few and far between. Most take advantage of that time to update their subject area knowledge or attend classes to keep up with the latest teaching methods. [/QUOTE]

Or go snowboarding in Peru for a month, like a sextet of teachers I know did two years ago... I can't remember the last time I got paid to take a month's vacation, so you'll understand why my cup runneth under with sympathy.
 
And I bet you get paid for your 48 weeks of work! I am not paid for the time I'm off contract...I do choose to have my checks spread out over twelve months instead of nine because it helps to stay in a budget. I bet you get three weeks vacation, so let's call the 2 weeks at Christmas and one week of spring break a tie.... Then six weeks of summer classes and I'm back at work....sorry I've never gotten to go snowboarding in Peru...I guess every profession has their slackers....The point was....GOOD teachers dpn't have or take that type of time and this thread was originally a question about why parents have to supply their kids classes with cleaning supplies and tissues....I don't know why...If life was fair we would be paying our teachers, fireman, police, nurses and other important community servants a gazillion dollars a year and our athletes, politicians and pencil pushing administrators a whole lot less!
 
Oh....are you kidding about the six figures? Where do you live and would they count my 20 years experience? I'm not telling you how much (you could look it up) but here it's a WHOLE lot less than that!! (I don't think our building administrators even get into 6 figures)
 
Waa Waa Waa. You <span style="font-style: italic">chose</span> to do the job. I'm not the one complaining about what a tough life it is because I take 6 weeks of classes in my time off.

When you start coming out with comments like

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]ALL parents should be given MINIMUM 2 paid days off of their jobs in the private sector EVERY YEAR to volunteer at their child's school.[/QUOTE]

you just lost whatever residual sympathy the fact that you aren't in the top quartile for salary might have engendered. Why should I volunteer to do your job given that my taxes already pay you to do it?

I pay plenty for other people's kids to get educated, so if you don't get enough $ to provide the things that are needed, then stop using your own salary to provide them.

I'll be willing to bet it's not part of your contract that you have to make up budgetary shortfalls, so the fact that you choose to do so is just that - your own choice. If you all stop, then it'll get dealt with. Until then, it won't.
 
terriphill said:
Oh....are you kidding about the six figures? Where do you live and would they count my 20 years experience? I'm not telling you how much (you could look it up) but here it's a WHOLE lot less than that!! (I don't think our building administrators even get into 6 figures)
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Nope. I'm not kidding.

Here's a quote <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]35% of NY teachers currently retire from school districts paying teacher salaries exceeding $100,000.[/QUOTE]

I'm in lakeland, where the median (50th percentile) is 76k, which is described as 8-13 years experience. You can look it up in the link below. (If you are thinking about moving, try Carle Place - 92k is the median). And for the OP, Farmingdale isn't exactly full of paupers working in the schools.

https://www.myshortpencil.com/newyorkteachersalaries.htm

So don't tell me teachers are poor, because I'm just not buying it...
 
I never asked you to do my job. I don't need you to teach my class or grade papers...I do think however parents should be involved in their chidren's education...if you don't want to come to school fine, but in my particular situation, I have parents who are not even allowed to leave the line to take a phone call about thier child without being docked 15 minutes of pay, let alone take off for parent conferences, or just to see how their children's school is going. They want to be involved but taking an hour or two off would mean not paying this months light bill.
I did NOT SAY <span style="font-weight: bold">required</span> to volunteer. I guess I should have said <span style="text-decoration: underline">allowed</span>
Also, you are right...I chose this job (or it chose me) and my first priorty is to the kids who come to my room every day! They are the reason I teach...the rest is just the crap that comes with a job. Again, I reiterate..the original question...why do you, who pays your taxes to me, still have to supply tissue and cleaning supplies? Because we want to provide our kids what they need to be comfortable and to learn in a safe and healthy environment..and if we quit supplying it the administration eventually will...but how many kids will suffer until they decide to do what's right?
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]and if we quit supplying it the administration eventually will...but how many kids will suffer until they decide to do what's right?[/QUOTE]

spare me the drama - almost none will suffer from a lack of tissues and crayons.

as soon as you stop providing this stuff, the kiddies will run home to mommy and say that they couldn't do x because y wasn't available.

mommy will talk to all the other mommies at the playgroup and figure out that it's a school-wide problem. they'll then all go and raise holy heck at the next school board meeting, and the administrators - in fear for their jobs - will find the money to provide the needed stuff. this isn't a hospital, lives aren't at stake here and their fragile little minds will survive having to snuffle for a week or so.

there you go, not only do you get what's needed, you've involved the parents. it's a win:win situation.

now to get a prize, tell me how i can offer to put my kid through private school for an exemption from school taxes in my area. it'll be way cheaper long term and i won't have to worry about boxes of tissues...
 
No you just have to buy them for those teachers too!
 
This has been a very stimulating evening of debate...but I've got to go now...I hear priceline has some great packages for trips to Peru!
BTW how's the car coming?
 
Well, some people do have a deep appreciation for good teachers!! :cheers: :bow:
 
Time off is often mentioned in discussions about teacher's benefits. Here in Santa Cruz, every county worker starts with 22 days paid vacation/sick days plus 11.5 days for holidays. Six and a half weeks paid time off for a beginning worker. Don't get me started.
 
TR6oldtimer said:
Time off is often mentioned in discussions about teacher's benefits. Here in Santa Cruz, every county worker starts with 22 days paid vacation/sick days plus 11.5 days for holidays. Six and a half weeks paid time off for a beginning worker. Don't get me started.
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Its tough here too.

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10034642

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:] Holiday entitlements: how much do you get?

The minimum holiday entitlement increased in October 2007. If your holiday year (sometimes called a leave year) started on or after 1 October 2007 the <span style="font-weight: bold">legal minimum is 4.8 weeks a year </span>(24 days if you work a five day week); there is no statutory right to get bank holidays on top of this.

Your employer is not allowed to give you less than the legal minimum.
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I think this includes Public Holidays like Christmas and New Years, but many employers let staff have those anyway; and staff with several years seniority get more time off too.
 
I think we all should get more time off. Makes people more efficient workers.
 
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