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zimmy

zimmy

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well heres some pics for everyone....
im still not sure why my clutch didnt work....
looks pretty good and my hydraulics are great...
i obviously need a gear ring, as mine is chewed up...
and i still have that 1st gear problem to deal with...
time for some cleaning etc till i get some cash... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif........zimmy

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif someday!
 
Dumb question, where is the spring that compresses the clutch cyl when you release it thus releasing the piston rod?

Tis my understanding those ring gears on the flywheel can be removed and turned around if necessary.

Pull the electrials and hoses off that engine, wash it down with a stiff brush and about a gal of paint thiner and put a rattle can to it. Not perfect but will stop rust and corrusion for sure. Tape up what you don't want painted of course. One can of paint should do the job, think about rustolum black maybe, hmmm, or green, hmmm or red, naaaa not red.
 
That ring gear is so chewed up that I'd toss it.
 
hey jack...i havent seen no spring, maybe thats my problem, im not sure what youre talkin about....
can you give me a MOSS or VB number maybe?
a missing spring sounds like an easy repair ; )
i think i will paint the engine , good idea.......
 
Oh, & reach down in there & yank the transmission....put it on the concrete next to the engine - mate them before putting them back in the car.....
 
I see no spring in the moss list also, but I know both my previous bugs had em maybe 7 inchs long, one end hook in spring in end of cotter pin on the clevis pin moss # 582-590 and a big hook on the other end, free moving, that hooked to something in reach forward, I forget what. Both cars had these, one was 3 years old and the other 15 or so.

Hay Bug guys help me out here. I know I did not dream this.

Something was causeing his clutch to be stuck in one position.

When you move the clutch fork does it indeed move the throwout bearing forward?
 
MOSS shows 2 little pigtail springs for 948...
mine should have some little clips instead.....
hmmmm....wonder what they do and where they are!?
maybe some yahoo attempted this procedure and left
them out, also explaining the new looking clutch pieces hiding inside that oily bell....hmmmmm...
 
New looking clutch peices, did not see those in Pic. You holding out important info here. Does the clutch fork indeed move the throwout bearing? Does the pressure plate in fact move at all when you push fingers, what is broken off of it, where are the new bits from? What do they look like?
 
notice the throw out bearing is clean, as was the outside of the pressure plate...everything else in there is black with oil....i dont know much about pressure plates...how do u test one? my disk has lots of wear left also.....
 
Hmmm, can't really test but it looks ok, all the tines, don't know what they are really called look even. Put a big socket on them and stand on it any give, should not be really. They are tough. Oil has to be blow by from the rear engine seal, hehe, what seal, maybe the engine is not vented as well as it could be. Does not look like transmission leakage.

What kind of bits did you find in there?
 
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...I was wondering what that film on the flywheel was....what does your rear main seal look like? Are there signs of oil seeping into the bell housing?
 
i didnt find anything in there ...although ill be out there in the morning looking around the car...it was getting dark when i pulled it and i didnt do anything on it today....
 
Think there is no rear oil seal left tony but all that oil on the right side of the engine could not have come form just the valve cover me thinks. Unless it has been leaking for years. Oh well front and rear oil seals while it is out for sure anyway.

I fail to see why the clutch was sticking though, oil would not have caused it, if anything the reverse. And the flywheel looks bright and shinny where the clutch was against it from what I can see. I would say though that the clutch disk looks oil soaked as well.

Need more info.
 
What happens if the clutch is put in backwards?
 
Well that would do it for sure. Is this car new, I thought it had just been in storage. Was it real cheep, was it driven home? Has it ever run properly for you Zimmy, one side of the clutch disk center spline thing is longer than the other side, there is a fore and aft for sure. I don't remember which is correct and it is too late to check the book but that would lock it up for sure. Short side toward the engine????????????????
 
Am I lookin' at the same photos?!?! The T/O bearing looks to be separated into two pieces, the PP appears to have scores in it... the flywheel seems to be rusted and "unsmooth" (at the least) and the disc has oil burn spots and dry places. Plenty of material, but COOKED... and that ring gear is absolute FUBAR. Scrap.

... I'm not THERE to look, but it sure appears to me that there's no way I'd reuse *any* of those bits in their current condition. Maybe it's the lighting, but that's what I ~see~ there. A D/A sander with #220 grit to treat the flywheel and PP as clean up, some "brake cleaner" on the disc, a new T/O bearing and a ring gear replacement are the minimum I see as possible. And a rear main seal change as well as the input shaft seal in the tranny for "luck." Sorry, but that's what I percieve from the photos. Not trying to be discouraging, just candid.
 
i bought it for $650, pulled it home.....have had it about 2 months.....
i drove it a couple times while clutch was assumed stuck...
1st gear was slipping out, etc.....2nd gear was great...nice and smooth acceleration etc.....
cluth pedal has never worked....hydraulics are new and bled...works good....
the clutch disk is marked on the flywheel side for installation...(i have changed a clutch before...(chevy)
more answers to ur many questions tommorow...thx all /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
pretty good diagnosis Dr, although not quite as bad as it looks....ill get a better exam and maybe better pics of the
guts tomorrow:smile:
 
Good. And some "qualifiers" as to surface condition of flywheel and PP.

No worries, it's all fixable.
 
Guys. There is <u>not</u> , and never has been, a clutch return spring of any kind on a Spridget, other than the pedal return spring at the master cylinder. The pressure plate fingers are what returns the clutch slave to the release position.
They don't have a rear main oil seal, other than a scroll on the rear of the crank, that is supposed to "wind" the oil back into the engine. The same for the front of the trans. No seal there, either, although modified front covers are available with a seal fitted.
That throwout bearing looks separated to me, too, from the pix. I'd toss the lot, and have the flywheel resurfaced by a shop with the proper machine, at the same time they are replacing the ring gear.
Take the tranny out, and replace the clutch arm pivot bushing and bolt. These are normal wear parts, and should be replaced with the clutch. A bad pivot bolt or bushing can prevent proper clutch operation. Also check the pivot hole in the release arm for wear. Make sure the rubber boot on the clutch arm is in good condition. Unwanted road grime can get inside and accelerate wear. I replace them along with the clutch as a matter of course. Make sure the little drain hole in the bottom of the bell housing is clear, and the cotter pin inside it moves freely.
When the tranny is out, inspect the lower mounts. A soft, or torn mount can cause it to pop out of gear, especially first. Replace as required. Look at the tailshaft seal of the trans for leaks.
Jimmy, it will go back together much easier with the engine and trans assembled on the ground. You'll have to pull the grille and radiator, but it still is a bunch easier than trying to wrestle the engine in separately.
Don't mean to sound like the old curmudgeon, but I've done a whole lot of these over the years, and I see nothing there that I would consider re-using.
Jeff
 
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