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Ethanol may not be "Green"

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Re: Ethanol may not be "Green"

Well the Nuke waste is really swept under the carpet....

its buried here and there, some in metal drums back in the 50s-60s and now incased in concrete,,,,

but it needs to stay isolated for 1000s of years and I doubt there is really a record of where it has been "stored" for the last 40 plus years,

to all the people who love Nuke power , can we bury it in your back yard ?

Beaulieu
 
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I hear there are a couple of companies (one with a former Apollo astronaut) are thinking about mining He3 from the moon for fusion reactors.
 
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More roofs and pavement have a definite effect on the climate!! I have seen that here in Fl. over the years! All one has to do is watch rain showers follow the interstate to see how the hot air rising from them draws the weather!!
 
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All one has to do to see EXACTLY how green ETHANOL really is, is a little reasearch. OF course IF you are caught up in one of the Common "SPIN" cycles going around then all of the reasearch in the world will not change your mind. You can not just take into account the carbon footprint of the result of using {burning} ethanol for fuel. you also have to account for the production carbon footprint of manufacturing such fuel. IE. How much energy goes into production verses the energy recovered. And ....... where that production energy comes from and how it, itself is produced and used. AND ...... what that energy`s carbon footprint consists of. NOT to mention the effects of the costs of valuable food resources for the populis. and..... not to mention the carbon footprint of trying to increase the remaining food resources to overcome the shortages of the food resource used to produce ethanol. As one can see all of this begins to become a vicious, never ending cycle of maddness!

P.S. Take food Grains out of the Ethanol equasion and you can not make enough ethanol {E-85} to run a large construction company!

Just my opinion!
 
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You did not awaken me Basil. It just took me a while to figure out how to assemble a reasonable <span style="font-weight: bold">fairly non political</span> response to this topic *SMILE*.
It never ceases to amaze me just how many people in general are hoplessly lost in the black hole spin cycles {thats plural, meaning spinning both left and right} going around these days.
Take a literal deffinition of the term black hole. Once in, seemingly there is no escape! Hence hoplessly lost!
No offense meant to anyone specific.
 
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On a slightly different note, I saw something yesterday that made me think of this post. The city has decided to start spraying the medians and city owned grassy areas with herbacide to control weeds and noxious grasses. Most of these areas are in ditches and near small streams. Is it better for the enviroment to cut the grass with gas powered lawnmowers or is it better to put up with herbacide runoff? Kinda makes you think.
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mailbox said:
On a slightly different note, I saw something yesterday that made me think of this post. The city has decided to start spraying the medians and city owned grassy areas with herbacide to control weeds and noxious grasses. Most of these areas are in ditches and near small streams. Is it better for the enviroment to cut the grass with gas powered lawnmowers or is it better to put up with herbacide runoff? Kinda makes you think.
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Grass clippings rotting in water can cause a lot of issues. Just think, when your landscaper blows those clippings in the street and it rains. It will go down the storm drain and right into the nearest stream, pond, lake, or whatever. It's all bad...

Ever use one of these?
https://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/images/snath.jpg
Using one of those for a summer will get one in shape in no time.
 
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PEDAL-POWER!!! If you can't pedal there you are either too out of shape or it's too far!! :devilgrin:

Seriously, as I understand it, Global warming is something that has come and gone for aeons! IF we are causing it (as opposed to a natural geologic cycle), driving habits are a minute contributing factor compared to industrial output, wholesale environmental destruction (on a global scale), etc., etc., etc. Switching to ethanol is a false promise for a change for the better! Cleaner, more efficient fuels make sense from a health and economic standpoint. Ethanol fits neither of those criteria!! In the long run, our solar system is actually cooling the older it gets so an argument could be made the we are staving off the next ice age! That's just my $.02 and now i'll bite my tongue
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WHEW!! I've purposefully stayed away from this thread because I figured I'd go political real fast; however....

In most of our lifetimes oil will be the primary fuel source for most transportation uses....we toyed with steam driven cars some time ago & rejected them though trains worked pretty well off steam....there's a race run every year to test the feasibility of solar powered cars but the tiny little things can't be transformed into a family mover...there were even electric cars in the past & we're still playing with big battery banks to power electric cars today - some 50 to 60 years after electric cars died a natural death......ethanol, grass & all the other base products will run their gamet just like others have.

What we need to do is open some of our own oil reserves (ANWAR for example) & build more refineries to stave off the international demand for more oil & to lower our own costs by focusing predominantly on US oil instead of importing oil!

Just my opinion....
 
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I like the way many areas have simply sown regional wildflowers into the medians. They are pretty, need no weeding, and they really don't grow all that tall (2-3 feet) They mow them down at the end of summer and then they all grow back in the spring.
 
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:iagree: THAT is enlightened...cost efficient and ecological and they look nice too!!
 
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Another ISSUE I have with "Global warming" is so called "Carbon Credits"! Isn`t that just a way to say "I have the money to pay for the carbon dioxide I emitt into the atmosphere"? So I can do as I please and to hates with the rest of you! And while we are thinking about that, Just whom is it that bennefits from the moneys paid for these so called "Carbon Credits"? What are these moneys spent on? Do the advocates of "Carbon Credits" think all of us are stupid? According to the "Global Warming" advocates c02 once released into the atmosphere is nearly impossible to remove other than to let nature take it`s course. Ok, lets accept that as a fact for a minute. If that is the case, I ask again. Why allow anyone to purchase "Carbon Credits" other than to line someones pockets or finance someones adjenda! Surely there is no magic machine to insert the money in that removes the purchased carbon emissions! { If it sounds like a scam, look like a scam, smells like a scam ...... }
Another thing, there is a study out that reflects ...... that IF america, Australia, Canada, and England flat quit using fossil fuel today and NEVER EVER used it again It would make NO SIGNIFICANT difference in the so called "Alarming rate of Global Warming" That it would take GLOBAL cooperation and the sessation of fossil fuel use by every one on earth to even nudge the so called "rate of Global Warming" on a downward trend. Even then the difference would only be minor. Volcanoes are the #1 emitters of greenhouse gases, industrial polluters are #2 heating and cooling of buildings and housing are #3 and Transportation came in at a dismal 4th.
No one hears of these studies because they are not supported by the SO CALLED mainstream scientists, {remainder of this portion of this comment omitted for obvious reasons}
No one hears that there are just as many scientists that do not advocate "Man Made Global Warming"
Unless we are willing to look at each and every issue and subject objectivly and with an open mind and are willing to research each and give each the merrits they deserve, And NOT believe everything we hear just because it make us comfortable or is easy to swallow or fits our preconcieved notions or think that the people at the sources of information are Smart and therefore must be correct and have our best intrest at heart.
We are doomed to be caught up in the black hole spin cycle and be delirously spun forever more.
 
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This thread is killing me! Carry on --- I'll be over here squeezing my head in a vice.
 
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Basil said:
This thread is killing me! Carry on --- I'll be over here squeezing my head in a vice.
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The reason I stayed away!
 
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ecurie_ecosse said:
But how do you make petroleum taste good?? :devilgrin: :jester:

Stuart. :cheers:
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Or just cover it with enough cheese......
 
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Tinster said:
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 17pt">fuel cells, fuel cells, fuel cells !!!!</span></span>
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I think we need to look at Garbage....when it rots..METHANE! Hey isn't there Hydrogen there? (CH4) and in today's "buy it and throw it away" society...we seem to have an endless supply of it. In fact if you visit most landfills, methane is often just burned off once collected. One of our local landfills has begun collecting it and using to to drive the huge turbines in their generators and producing electricity, which they sell back to the people who paid them to collect their garbage :smile: Hydrogen fuel is clean, no emissions and I maybe I could find some fresh grown corn in the summer again!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]Hydrogen fuel is clean, no emissions [/QUOTE]
But, what about the exhaust tone?
 
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