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BJ8 carb sync using a Uni-Syn, can you actually use it?

Buy the colourtune plugs. For $100 they are well worth it.
I highly recommend this article
www.healey6.com/Technical/HD8.pdf
Follow the system in the article and finish off with 2 colourtunes to fine tune and your motor will purr,

This is my first post so a brief introduction. We just acquired our first 2 British cars(1952 Austin A40 Sports & 1959 AH 100/6) and so have been trying to learn as much about them as possible. I like doing my own work but will bring in the experts without hesitation. This site has been a tremendous help!

I've been trying to solve a run-on problem, which occurs most of the time. I started with the plugs, valve adjustment, then timing - none of these solved the problem so I moved on to the carbs. So far, I've come across at least 3 different approaches and tried them all. Up until this morning, the car ran like crap - hard to start, then idles between 800 - 1500 rpms. I was about to give up when I came across the above article. I followed it to the letter and the car cranked over first time from a cold start. Now it idles at between 800-900 rpms. I still have the run-on issue but at least she's running smooth again.

Going to try higher grade fuel next.

Thanks again for posting this article! -John
 
If you can get a decent idle below 800RPM it should help with the run-on, but probably won't eliminate it entirely (e.g. on hot days; good thing you don't get those in Texas ;))
 
My HD8s seem to have two idle settings: "test" idle and "real" idle. Test idle is the one I have it adjusted to - 750 rpm during tuneup and real idle is where it actually idles when I'm driving - 1300 settling down to 1000. Beats me, but the car runs fine otherwise.
 
Hi All,

Took the Healey out for a brisk drive yesterday and, without touching or adjusting anything, the car ran very well. Today I did intend to reset the HD8s with the Uni-Sync as well as try the Color Tune again. I have never been able to see a real clear image of the colors presented and even resorted to using the unit at night for a better perception...without real success. I have 2 Color tunes (one given to me by a frustrated Healey owner that has given up on using it) installed on cylinder 2 and 5.

What is the best way to SEE the colors produced by the Color Tune.

John, my BJ8 has a little higher compression then most so I have always been forced to use Premium fuels to eliminate pre-ignition. Sometimes I have found run-on to be a combination of carbon build-up resulting in a residual afterglow following a run and unclosed throttle plates. Make sure the throttle plates close completely when the accelerator is released and I would give my Healey a good enthusiastic high RPM run to blow out some of the built up carbon, although I trust others will have better suggestions on how to eliminate cylinder carbon build-up.

All the best to all,

Ray (64BJ8P1)
 
I struggeled to see much of a colour change on my colourtune too.

(Seems to be a lot of BJ8 HD8 tune up problems recently on the forum? Have they all collectively decided to give up the ghost?)
 
My BJ8 has lower compression than I would like, but still runs well. Setting the mixture with Colortunes--I use two on #2 and #5 cylinders--has always been hit-or-miss. Our BN2 has exceptional compression--160-170psi on all four--and I used the two Colortunes to set the mixture on it; was able to get a consistent 'Bunsen Blue' just like the instructions call for (I tuned on the rich side--occasional flash of orange). It starts quickly runs and pulls well and runs fine on regular (87 octane) gas with no knocking. Go figure.

I've always used a Uni-Syn to set flow; it works as advertised.
 
....What is the best way to SEE the colors produced by the Color Tune....

Ray (64BJ8P1)

Are you using the supplied tubes? Mine always looks like this:

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I find it best not NOT use the tube/mirror device. Just look directly down the "plug". Much brighter image and wider field to view. I also use plug 2 and 5 with two color tunes. Also try doing two side by side along all the cylinder (1 and 2 then 3 and 4 then 5 and 6) you may see a difference I think is due to valves be off.
TH
 
What we all need a good device that measures the exhaust gases that is reliable, value priced, and maybe it'll take away the guessing?? BJ8's have dual exhaust so testing each system would be an advantage.
 
What we all need a good device that measures the exhaust gases that is reliable, value priced, and maybe it'll take away the guessing?? BJ8's have dual exhaust so testing each system would be an advantage.
Wide-band O2 sensor and gauge. Easy. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/p...48_a_7c46712&gclid=CKnTxYHnjcUCFYwdgQodu2YA2Q

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While putting a bung in each down-pipe would be optimum, you could probably still get a relative reading with some type of clamp affair for a temporary setup
 
I've always used a Uni-Syn to set flow; it works as advertised.---Me Too BOB.:encouragement:
 
Wide-band O2 sensor and gauge. Easy. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/p...48_a_7c46712&gclid=CKnTxYHnjcUCFYwdgQodu2YA2Q

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While putting a bung in each down-pipe would be optimum, you could probably still get a relative reading with some type of clamp affair for a temporary setup

The Innovate is handy and I was fortunate to have a friend that loaned me his to tne my Porsche. His was the previous generation to yours. I used it with some success using a welded bung in the 911. The Bosch sensor I used was brand new and was quite finicky, I thought. I studied analyzers a little bit last year and came to the conclusion that the most reliable and accurate was the NTK and I bought that one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M9LTZVS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Only problem is that it is not a data collector, although you can make it one with a laptop. I have decided to make it a permanent mount in my 911, with a gauge that replaced the clock. Easily reversible.

I have read that the ideal spot is within 12" of the header or manifold, but you should mount the sensor perpendicular to the flow (this is automatic with a bung). But what about the clamp as you have suggested which is parallel to the flow and not near the manifold? Can you still get accurate readings that way?
 
The Innovate is handy and I was fortunate to have a friend that loaned me his to tne my Porsche. His was the previous generation to yours. I used it with some success using a welded bung in the 911. The Bosch sensor I used was brand new and was quite finicky, I thought. I studied analyzers a little bit last year and came to the conclusion that the most reliable and accurate was the NTK and I bought that one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M9LTZVS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Only problem is that it is not a data collector, although you can make it one with a laptop. I have decided to make it a permanent mount in my 911, with a gauge that replaced the clock. Easily reversible.

I have read that the ideal spot is within 12" of the header or manifold, but you should mount the sensor perpendicular to the flow (this is automatic with a bung). But what about the clamp as you have suggested which is parallel to the flow and not near the manifold? Can you still get accurate readings that way?
That wouldn't be my first choice, but I expect with an effort to get the sensor at least a foot into the pipe, you'd still get a reading.

I actually own an LM1 myself, only posting the link and pictures to the newer one above because it was the first dual channel I found in a quick search__I'm not necessarily endorsing it, and with any recommendation that I (or anyone else) makes, a smart individual should do all their own research before purchase anyway.

Visual aids:

A 2-channel narrowband meter I put in an MGBGT (with Buick 3.8 ltr V6) before the turn of the Century:

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My Innovate LM2 wideband O2 (with logging, but you do need a computer to download and view the data):

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A decade ago, perpendicular to flow mounting of the sensor (temporary, bung sealed with screw-in plug after testing a new supercharger installation on my '99 ///M Rdstr):

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Getting back to the subject of tuning SUs, I always prefer the "pointers" to the uni-syn. For one, you don't have to remove the air-filters (HUGE plus on any Healey, but particularly a BJ8 with 2" carbs) nor grapple with holding it in place for a tight seal, and I never felt the readings were all that repeatable anyway__every time you moved the device from one carb to another, you got a different reading.

Trust me, there are uni-syns (a couple, I think) as well as Gunson's Carb-tune see-through spark plug, and every other gimmick tool in one of my roll-away drawers, I have tried them all at one time or another.

THE SU tool, Item B, are $10.00 cheaper than the uni-syn on Moss' site ;) The jet-centering "bit" (included) is vital to making an SU perform properly, and should be the first step. I usually check that first, then bring both (or all 3, as the case may be) jets flush with the bridge, then lower them all by 1-1/2 to 1-3/4 turns. That's usually a good place to get started from, and should allow the engine to run (this all of course, assumes the engine is already up to temperature__stinking hot__and the valves, points and timing have already been set...). There's no harm in slipping a small depth-measuring rule down there, to see if the same number of turns did in fact lower the jets equally (piston tops off__BUT NEVER MIXED UP__for these checks).

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Now, if you really want to get serious about balancing carbs...

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Gunson makes a gas analyzer that fits in each exhaust pipe. I have one but it doesn't seem to work well. Probably to complicated for me. I also like the SU tube tool. In addition to the balancing pointers, the piston can be lifted easier than using the lifting pin under the carb. With the carb lifting pin, you cannot see how high you are lifting the piston.
TH
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/112770...MayJune2011endMayJune2013#5719481925723978978
the two Lambda probe on my car, just near the exhausts connections -welded by my mechanic on SS pipes
https://picasaweb.google.com/112770...MayJune2011endMayJune2013#5715002455909708162
the tuning work on Weber carbs

Randy can this probes be connected to your Dual Test Monitor -Instrument type??
Andrea's pictures:

Wideband O2 sensors mounted in downpipes:

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Anrea's Webers/linkage being balanced (for equal airflow):

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(if you look in the bottom RH corner above__under andrea__you can see the six (6) sets of Main Jet, Emulsion Tube & Air Corrector Jet; like these)

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Andrea (OUT-*CLUCKING*-STANDING details on your car, btw) the L.E.D. indicator I had shown above is only for the older narrow-band O2 sensors, and is nowhere near as good as the wideband variety. I haven't pursued finding a dual-channel (permanently mounted) in car readout, but surely they must exist.

I wish there was a way that the two of us could get together and compare our cars side-by-side__YOURS WOULD "WIN" BY MILES (is win by a kilometer even a slang term in Europe...?)__but I'm sure we could stare at the most interesting and minute details for hours.
 
Good grief, its really not that hard as long as carbs are not worn-out on shafts etc. Just follow the basic instructions in glove-box book or Haynes manual, tube in the ear works just fine for balancing the carbs with idle screws that work on butterfly and rest on the "platform" (adjusted with the connector thingy loose so each screw turns only its butterfly). Mixture screws set so that when lean--not smooth but able to run, you then turn screw toward rich so idle speeds up and then no longer speeds up, that transition to no longer speeding up is when to stop (the adjustment is allowing all the fuel that can be combined with the oxygen molecules for a given air flow, lean is too few gas molecules, rich is too many--old alfas went a 1/4 turn too rich so excess gas would cool valves. One final check, is to after letting it run for a bit, compare the color of spark plugs, they should all be neither sooty black (rich) or white (lean)but an in between brownish color. If you find a color difference between the more forward and back plugs, that will suggest a parallel adjustment of mixture screws. If it starts, the choke cable acts as it should, runs ok at steady state and acceleration everything is just fine.
 
Good grief, its really not that hard as long as carbs are not worn-out on shafts etc. Just follow the basic instructions in glove-box book or Haynes manual, tube in the ear works just fine for balancing the carbs with idle screws that work on butterfly and rest on the "platform" (adjusted with the connector thingy loose so each screw turns only its butterfly). Mixture screws set so that when lean--not smooth but able to run, you then turn screw toward rich so idle speeds up and then no longer speeds up, that transition to no longer speeding up is when to stop (the adjustment is allowing all the fuel that can be combined with the oxygen molecules for a given air flow, lean is too few gas molecules, rich is too many--old alfas went a 1/4 turn too rich so excess gas would cool valves. One final check, is to after letting it run for a bit, compare the color of spark plugs, they should all be neither sooty black (rich) or white (lean)but an in between brownish color. If you find a color difference between the more forward and back plugs, that will suggest a parallel adjustment of mixture screws. If it starts, the choke cable acts as it should, runs ok at steady state and acceleration everything is just fine.

Couldn't agree more .....but some people always want to try to apply rocket science to farm tractor operation .
 
As a new-b to the world of British cars and SU carbs, I would would only add that it all depends upon which instructions one has. I came across 3 different instructions, plus the A-H workshop manual, and followed them each with no luck. However, each time I tried and failed, was a learning experience as I began to learn my way around the carbs and linkages. Not until I came across this post with the linked instructions did it all make sense and come together. I also learned subtle differences in instructions can lead to success or failure. For example, one set said if both throttle and slow idle screws are present, you must use the throttle to adjust the idle. Both are present so I followed those and had no luck. Another said to set a baseline by turning the throttle 1.5 turns, the slow idle 2.5, and the jet 2.25. Again, this did not work.

In short, I came here for help because I did not know what I was doing wrong. Luckily, I found the linked instructions, followed them, and now the car is running smoothly again. Plus, I've come away with a new comfort level concerning the SU carbs. :encouragement:
 
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