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I was reading my Moss summer sales catalog last night and came to a sentance and kept reading over and over.

"Using freshly rebuilt calipers from Japanese application loaded with modern semimetalic pads, these four piston calipers bolt directly to the suspension uprights without adapters."

The price of the kit is $750. The rotors are about $150 so they are asking about $600 bucks for a pair of japanese rotors. Unless they come off a lexus that is expensive. Anyone have any idea of what these come off of? I'm sure I could second source them for a lot cheaper.
 
that kit is way over priced! you can source rebuilt toyota four pot calipers for about $100, drop $90 on fresh braided brake lines, another $150 for cross drilled or slotted rotors and finally $20 for the special metric size caliper mounting bolts. add it all up and keep the $400 difference in your pocket.
 
The calipers come from a 1979-83 Toyota four wheel drive pickup. Since you have a TR6 I don't think you need to change the rotors at all. On TR3's with little clips that hold in the pads the rotor size is different but anything after the TR3B(ish) has the correct rotor to begin with.

You do need to do some adapting on the brake lines to get the metric threads on the end that goes in the caliper.

Definitely overpriced.
 
Answered my own question! They made a serious security breach! They showed a picture! The picture showed "S12-8" on the caliper. Entered "s12-8 caliper" into Google and wha-la,

1987 Toyota LandCruiser 4 Dr (Engine: 2F/4.2L) Brake Caliper
Remanufactured, Front - Right Casting #S12-8 $54.95
 
Plus core charge.
Makes them about $105 apiece.
I have a writeup if you need one. PM me.
 
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I'm doing this for my Healey since it uses the same Calipers as the TR6.

The details are:

The parts needed and the relevant Toyota references are:

Left Caliper: Toyota P/N 47730-35080
Right Caliper: Toyota P/N 47750-35080

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Pads: I bought these through an after-market supplier and do not have the Toyota P/N, but any good parts store should be able to supply them. The original pads are on the left, the 4-pot ones on the right, to give an idea of the increased area.

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Top Shims, springs and pins will be needed unless you get a fully kitted out caliper, and the source I found wasn't able to supply such a thing. One of the calipers came with pins, one did not.

There are two types of shims- plain and "vented" , the vented go next to the pad, the plain against the caliper.

The springs go across the caliper to tension the pads, and a retaining clip goes between the pins. The required information:

Shims 1: Toyota P/N 47744 (set of 4)
Shims 2: Toyota P/N 47745 (set of 4)
Springs 1: Toyota P/N 47748 (set of 2)
Retaining Clips 2: Toyota P/N 47748A (set of 2)
Pins: Toyota P/N 47748B (not sure about the "B", the copy was not as good as it could have been, the P/N is for one)

These do not appear to be readily available from anyone but Toyota in the UK- few of these vehicles were imported to the UK though I'd expect they'd be far more commonly found in the USA.

Its also possible to obtain a kit comprising all the shims and tensioning springs that is a little cheaper than buying them individually.

The VTR reference describes the source vehicle as Toyota gasoline powered pick-ups 1979-1983, my vendor listed these as coming from Toyota Hi-Lux pickups 89-97 and Toyota 4 Runners from 1993 on.

The costs:
Calipers (from aftermarket supplier): ~ÂŁ75 each + core charge of ÂŁ20
Pads (from aftermarket supplier): ~ÂŁ20
Shims, Springs & Pins (from Toyota): ~ÂŁ50


Hardware- in order to mount the calipers a little tinkering is necessary. The calipers come with metric mounting holes, the stub axles have imperial threads. A hybrid bolt is available that has a 12mm shaft to fit the caliper and 7/16 UNF threads to fit the stub axle. This was used on very late model TR6s. It is available from Rimmer Brothers www.rimmerbros.co.uk, and the relevant part number is: 158668 - It is listed under TR6 brakes as the mounting bolts for the Girling type M16P caliper. The cost was ÂŁ3.87 each.

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This shows a trial fit with the bolts shown. I had to trim the shield to allow clearance for the larger calipers.

First Caveat: a trial fit of the bolts shows that they're are almost right for the Healey, I'd think they'd be exactly right for their intended purpose on a TR.

I've seen the calipers on sale on e-bay and a set could be bought for around $30 when I looked. The pads, shims and other bits could be bought on e-aby too for something like $20 as I recall.

I went with new and dealer-sourced components because there's no real market of these used here in the UK- I needed to be able to take the stub axles in and make sure it all lined up right for my Healey, and it seems to do- I just need to put it all together....

Second Caveat: The VTR article was written by a racer who would presumably regulalrly check his brakes. The stock disk is 1/2 inch, the Toyota caliper uses a 20mm disk (I think). I've a concern that the pistons will extend further than their normal range, so I will make a set of additional shimes to fit under each pad to make up the difference. I've not yet done this, but it should help everything fit together happily, once I do get around to putting it all together again.

I hope this helps....
 
You can get them "loaded" here for less than buying all the parts seperately. ISTR the #s are Cardone 17820 and 17821. Double check though - you want the ones from the 4WD.
 
I work for an electrical rebuilder, and we also do calipers. I grabbed a set of Toyota calipers from the shelf and decided to put them on my TR3. The problem with getting them on a TR3 or TR4 is that while the caliper will bolt up, it won't bolt on with the rotor in place. The TR3 bracket does not extend out far enough. That's why the kit is not offered for the TR3 or TR4. The solution is to install the TR6 brackets. They fit on the spindle just fine.
 
www.rockauto.com fully loaded Raybestos with premium semi matalic pads for $77.99 each. 79-85 Toyota 4x4-p.u. and 84-85 Toyota 4runner. You can buy the TR6 late model metric mounting bolts that fit the toyota calipers from TRF for 5.95 each, Victoria British wants around $9each. Dont forget to trim off the dust shields 5/8" on each end. The Rock Auto part numbers for the calipers are RC3466 and 3465
 
You also have to fab a short custom hard line. Or find someone to sell the custom ended flex lines. Dont forget that one as well.
 
Ok, here's one out of left field - will the Toyota calipers fit the Stag as well?
 
The custom hard lines are available from www.trparts.com $39.00 for both (stainless steel). I wish I had known this before I bought the T.S.I. braided hose conversion ($79), there was no good way to route them and they would have rubed on the springs or the upper control arm/ball joint, I had to use the original hard line brackets and installed rubber gromets in them and route the lines through the gromet to keep them away from the spring and ball joint.
 
this reminded me of the other 1/2 of the upgrades to the brakes. you are going to do the morgan cylinders at the rear too, right?
 
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...hard lines...www.trparts.com $39.00 for both (stainless steel). I wish I had known this before I bought the T.S.I. braided hose conversion ($79), there was no good way to route them and they would rub....

[/ QUOTE ]Were the T.S.I. lines for original calipers or for the "conversion"? I can't comment on pricing, but I've always known Ted to stand behind what he sells. That said, I believe he's on his way to TX for the VTR Convention, so getting hold of him this week could be difficult.
 
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You also have to fab a short custom hard line. Or find someone to sell the custom ended flex lines. Dont forget that one as well.

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Making this short line isn't that hard if you've the flaring and tube bending tools- it has a metric fitting at the caliper end and imperial thread at other. These fittings are easily enough sourced....
 
You buy one 18" metric line, cut it in half and reuse the fitting off the caliper. Total cost (if you have the flaring tools) $4.50.

You can get a perfectly acceptable flaring tool from amazon for about $25 if you don't.
 
Andrew, they were the conversion lines. The elbow that connects to the caliper throws the braided line out too far and makes it hard to run the line without interference with the moving parts. Ted said that he originally made theese up for a racer and they worked for him. Ted knows the problem I had and I let him know what had to be done for them to work. Without the modification that I made there would have been a safety issue. I really didnt have an issue with the price. For $40 The premade stainless-steel hard lines are the way to go and then you can use the regular steel braided lines. I have bought the morgan cylinders but they are not installed yet.
 
Where does one get the Morgan rear wheel cylinders???
 
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