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gymkannas where I first saw my favorite car

On of my all time favorites

Abarth Fiat Record Monza Bialbero

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TR3driver said:
jjbunn said:
Now, what I don't understand is what the connector should look like. The HV socket on the Lucas coil is threaded.
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I'm pretty sure that makes it the wrong coil. The TR2-4 used that kind of coil (with the nut), but I believe even the TR250 had the 'modern' push-in connector.

For the coils with the nut, the nut is supposed to be slid over the (stripped-back) wire, then the protruding copper end goes through a washer and gets soldered to the washer. Then when installed into the coil, the nut clamps the washer against the terminal inside the coil tower. Trying to use a push-in coil wire with this coil is a Bad Thing, as there is simply no metal inside the coil tower for the clip to mate with. You wind up with the spark having to jump the gap between the end of the clip and the coil terminal, which will eventually erode the clip and cause strange ignition problems.

Sorry I don't have a photo handy, but here's a drawing from the Moss catalog.

PS, my advice is to sell the coil to some TRactor motor originality freak and buy one with the push-in connector. But be warned that there is an early and late TR6 coil, and you most likely want the early one unless there have been other modifications like electronic ignition or a ballast resistor added.

Randall
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That's exactly what it looks like: brilliant! I wondered what that little split ring was for. Certainly the lead was stripped, and about a 1/2" of wire exposed, but it was not attached to the split ring. What I will do is solder it (back) on, and see how I go with it. I wonder why it has a wrong coil ... or maybe they used these coils in '71 on the European cars?
 
BOXoROCKS said:
Julian, yup he is correct. Go get a standard 12 v coil from auto zone. We will all help you on this TR6, but ya gotta let us borrow it some weekends for gymkannas.
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No PROBLEM!

If the coil really is that old, then I expect a new one would be a good investment.
 
Julian, one observation, the rear bumper has no light for the license plate and they didn't change that until '73 were the lights were under the shelf above the plate. Might have a number plate swap, but no big deal.

Sure does look great from here.

Wayne
 
jjbunn said:
I wondered what that little split ring was for.
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Sounds like your PO substituted here again. The original washer was not split.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]... or maybe they used these coils in '71 on the European cars?
[/QUOTE]I don't think so. No mention of it on the European parts sites (although I don't have my TR6 book handy). And I can't imagine why they would do that.
 
tomshobby said:
Had a lot of fun and do not even know where any might be held anymore.
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There's one next week in Laughlin, NV. Should be at least 30-40 Triumphs in the event, and not one MG. But probably a bit tame compared to what you are accustomed to.
 
At the time those coils and "washers" were used they were ALL split. And made of brass. The wire was to be put thru the center hole and wrapped from there to the O.D. and held in place by the threaded "cap". The "ring" was like a lock washer: to prevent it from unwinding the threaded cap. I've one on the MGB here, it's not a "low output" or inferior coil, just the way it was connected "back-when."
 
If it has an orangish red color top its a lucas sport coil, a good catch. If a black top a standard coil.

That Abarth is fine. Was that a Zagato creation?
 
DrEntropy said:
At the time those coils and "washers" were used they were ALL split. And made of brass. The wire was to be put thru the center hole and wrapped from there to the O.D. and held in place by the threaded "cap". The "ring" was like a lock washer: to prevent it from unwinding the threaded cap. I've one on the MGB here, it's not a "low output" or inferior coil, just the way it was connected "back-when."
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Hi Doc!

So, it just needs wrapping? I figured it might since the "wires" are apparently very fine strands of what looks like carbon or something, and the wont take solder! The split washer certainly looks like brass. I think I am missing the "ring" piece.

Should I just replace the coil, and have done with it?
 
BOXoROCKS said:
If it has an orangish red color top its a lucas sport coil, a good catch. If a black top a standard coil.

That Abarth is fine. Was that a Zagato creation?
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Yes, it's an orange top. Worth keeping?
 
Hiya Julian!

Replacement is an easy option, the symptom sounds as if it ~may~ be the coil breaking down. I don't condemn it out-of-hand tho. If it slows and stalls with a "fluffy" stall it may be fuel supply. If it sharply stalls, ignition is suspect.

You have the right plan with the wire: Thread the fine conductors thru the hole and wrap 'em out around the circumference of the washer and tuck 'em back over the other side slightly. The threaded ferrule should have a base JUST the right O.D. to capture the washer and trap it against the coil's (slot-head) electrode. No "ring" piece to worry over.
 
brent615 said:
how do i find out where my 6 was delivered to originally?
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I went to the UK TR Register and asked on the forum there about mine. There was a nice reply with details from someone there. Also, I believe the Heritage Trust will give you this information on a certificate if you write to them, and pay a modest sum (I did that for my MGB).
 
trrdster2000 said:
Julian, one observation, the rear bumper has no light for the license plate and they didn't change that until '73 were the lights were under the shelf above the plate. Might have a number plate swap, but no big deal.

Sure does look great from here.

Wayne
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I did notice there are no number plate lights at all. Where should they be on a '71?
 
Julian, that coil was only meant to be used with stranded wire. And, the wire is <u>NOT</u> meant to be soldered to the washer, only splayed back around the area of the washer, as in this illustration.
Jeff
 

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worth keeping, yup if its working ok, which I bet it is.its a cool period piece, an upgrade. you can get the cap screw from moss.
 
brent615 said:
how do i find out where my 6 was delivered to originally?
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You should find that by ordering a Heritage Certificate from Heritage Motor Centre. That's how I found that mine started out at a Chicago Dealer.

(Sorry, I did not realize that this had already been answered because I jumped in without finishing the thread. I need more coffee)
 
BOXoROCKS said:
If it has an orangish red color top its a lucas sport coil, a good catch. If a black top a standard coil.

That Abarth is fine. Was that a Zagato creation?
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Yes, the Abarth was a Zagato creation.
 
jjbunn said:
I did notice there are no number plate lights at all. Where should they be on a '71?
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I believe there should be a lamp mounted to the top of the bumper blade.

Sorry I got the coil wire attachment wrong. Mine was soldered to a solid washer, but must have been a DPO-ism.
 
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