$4.49/gal for diesel ????

[vagt6]

I'm a big fan of results over good intentions.

THIS is the point I have been trying to make.

And . . . paradigm shifts are, as history shows us, very hard to come by and usually take a big NUDGE to occur. In this particular case, the big nudge may be $6++ gas prices! If that doesn't make folks change their "carbon footprint", what will???

The days of the super-big SUVs and pickemup trucks are numbered. Good riddance to 'em, I say.

Waste not, want not: From a transportation standpoint, it's a lesson most Americans have yet to learn (especially our political leaders). Sad, methinks.

 

[Basil]

I have a solution, but I dare to repeat it lest heads explode in outrage. Suffice it to say that one particular band-wagon has passed me by.

 

[vagt6]

OH, come on, Basil! Let us have it!!!

We promise to be good . . .

 

[NutmegCT]

I have a solution, but I dare to repeat it lest heads explode in outrage. Suffice it to say that one particular band-wagon has passed me by.

So ... it's a solution to the "$4.49/gal for diesel ????" issue?

Or it's a solution to poverty, disease, strife, and toothaches?

Or ...



T.

 

[Basil]

I have a solution, but I dare to repeat it lest heads explode in outrage. Suffice it to say that one particular band-wagon has passed me by.

So ... it's a solution to the "$4.49/gal for diesel ????" issue?

Or it's a solution to poverty, disease, strife, and toothaches?

Or ...



T.

A solution to why people, throughout history, fall prey to propaganda, and why people tend to be band-wagon jumpers...and as Forrest Gump would say "and that's all I've got to say about that."

 

[DrEntropy]

Whirl'd Peas.

 

[Basil]

OH, come on, Basil! Let us have it!!!

We promise to be good . . .

I think not...to say my opinion would not be popular here would be a gross understatement.

 

[Basil]

Whirl'd Peas.

Congratulations! You have won the Nobel Prize!

 

[Basil]

On a serious note - I'm about to take the forum off line for an upgrade - see my announcement post.

 

[bugimike]

Bye bye!!! See Ya later!!! :thumbsup:

 

[DrEntropy]

yup. Saw th' "heads up".

Now I have no excuse to avoid brakework on Diesela.

feh.

 

[Basil]

Bye bye!!! See Ya later!!! :thumbsup:

Not to worry - it won't be down for too long.

 

[DrEntropy]

Can I stay an' watch?!?! :laugh:

Not to worry - it won't be down for too long.

Famous last words?!?

 

[Basil]

Up now...took a little longer than I thought---had to reset all of the site permissions.

 

[tony barnhill]

Well, here are some random thoughts on the subject at hand (& I'm not against mass transit for those who want to use it, alternative energy sources for those interested or any other improved methods of transportation):

1. What if some gov't suddenly decreed that we can't drive our LBC's anymore because they're not energy efficient enough? You know, something like "all vehicles 10 years old or older must be turned in to the nearest gov't sanctioned scrap yard where the owner will be paid the going rate for metal at the poundage of the car & the car will be crushed."

https://listarchive.type3.org/archives/1999/february/msg00119.html

https://rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9033/index1.html

https://www.mgcars.org.uk/news/news143.html

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6214181.stm

https://www.which.co.uk/reports_and_campa..._557_104926.jsp

2. Why does everybody suddenly think the earth needs saving? Its been around billions of years & mankind with all our foilables are only a short term speck on it - we're not hurting the earth! It'll be here long after mankind is extinct!

3. Why not drill in ANWAR? Why not drill at that huge deposit up in the Dakota's (https://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.htmlhttps://www.kiplinger.com/businessresourc...her_080317.html)? We can do it "earth friendly" &, with new technology, we can do it for lots less than in the past! We can become independent from foreign oil!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/05/AR2006090500275.html

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7086264.stm

4. Big oil companies are not bad! If you own a mutual fund, you're probably an owner of one of them! If you're invested in your company's retirement fund, you probably own one of them! Are you bad?

I've no problem with searching for alternative energy sources - but why must we automatically blame oil for all the earth's problems?

Can you tell I don't buy the whole Al Gore endangered earth thing? (& my daughter was a page for him while he was our senator & a White House intern while he was VP!)

 

[vagt6]

Our petroleum problem: we're like a heroin addict. To make the addict feel better, you give him a quick fix. After the quick fix, the addict feels much better. But, the real problem remains: he's still an addict.

We're not trying hard enough to reduce our consumption or increase our fuel efficiency. Remember, this is the country that harnessed the atom (in 5 years!) and put a man on the moon in less than ten. Our current effort to reduce petroleum consumption is <span style="font-style: italic">pathetic</span>! Just look at the measly CAFE standards just passed by Congress: they're a joke, pure pandering to the automotive lobby. We could do so much more, and <span style="font-style: italic">cost-effectively</span>.

You don't keep giving the addict more heroin. And, you don't drill for <span style="font-weight: bold">MORE</span> oil in ecologically sensitive areas while wasting oil like crazy, or before real effort and results are made to significantly reduce consumption. It's not right. Twisted logic.

We have to at least TRY to stop wasting oil before we take a chance on ruining pristine areas. One little mistake (a drunk ship Captain aka Exxon Valdez), just one big oil spill and my beautiful Chesapeake Bay is <span style="text-decoration: underline">ruined</span> for decades! Then what??? You can't get it back once it's soiled with toxic crude oil (<span style="text-decoration: underline">20 years</span> later and Prince William sound isn't fully recovered {edit}).

It's simply not worth the risk: drill in ANWAR and risk ruination of a pristine area <span style="font-style: italic">just so people can drive huge SUVs</span>??? Greed and gluttony should never be rewarded. Drilling in ANWAR/Chesapeake is rewarding bad behavior, plain & simple.

We need to go to rehab, and fast. Gotta <span style="text-decoration: underline">vastly</span> increase fuel efficiency and reduce dependency. Gotta "just say no" to the oil/road building lobby.

Petroleum is too messy/expensive/political/<span style="text-decoration: underline">bloody</span>.

<span style="text-decoration: underline">NOW</span>, with another oil crisis looming and oil wars raging, is the time to stop the petroleum madness. It takes leadership. Who's gonna step up to the plate?

Nero is fiddling . . .

 

[tony barnhill]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]One little mistake (a drunk ship Captain aka Exxon Valdez), just one big oil spill and my beautiful Chesapeake Bay is ruined for decades! Then what??? You can't get it back once it's soiled with toxic crude oil (20 years later and Prudhoe bay is still a mess).[/QUOTE]
The Valdez didn't dump its oil in Prudhoe Bay - it dumped it in Prince William Sound near Valdez...the accident was in 1989...I visited Valdez & Prince William Sound in 2004 & everything looked normal! But, wherever or - whatever type fuel being transported - unfortunately there are always going to be "drunk ship captains".

Here are some photos I took then:

 

[vagt6]

It's not fully recovered. Problems remain.

 

[tony barnhill]

Most probably, Mark - but there will, unfortunately, always be accidents regardless of the type energy we are trying to harness. Remember the nuclear plant accidents? The Hindenburg accident? All types of electrical accidents?

Do we stop using a proven type of energy just because of an accident? I think not - we crank down & figure out ways to minimize accidents....but we continue using that energy source if its viable.

Do we waste oil products? Absolutely - I agree with you on that one. Heck, our LBC's are terrible for the environment! They leak oil into the ground probably polluting the water supply; they are notorious for poor energy efficiency - I mean 25mpg in an MGB compared to, what, 45mpg in a Honda? They dump pollution into the air because they don't burn all the gas efficiently. However, I'm not going to give mine up - are you?

Every day more efficient cars are coming down the assembly lines. Every day we're learning how to use oil products in a way that's more efficient. And every day we're coming up with new energy sources for our cars.

Its just that people see this thing in entirely different ways.

I've no problem with drilling in 'pristine' areas....they're usually still 'pristine' afterwards. Heck, look at the strip coal mining that's being done in Gillette, Wyoming right now. Once they finish mining an area, you can't tell they were ever mining! The same with oil drilling.

 

[Brooklands]

Most probably, Mark - but there will, unfortunately, always be accidents regardless of the type energy we are trying to harness. The Hindenburg accident?

Now even the Zeppelin Company admits that the fire was mainly from the coating of the canvas, which was the equivalent of rocket fuel. The hydrogen rises at 45 mph, so most of it was gone well before the fire ended.