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From another post about tires rubbing against the wheel well, I mentioned that I maybe changing tire sizes from a 175R 15 to a 165HR 15.

Rather than exploring that tire question on that post, I've posted it fresh here.

My first question will be asked of you Keoke, for two reasons. You're very knowledgeable and you've commented twice, which I have now carried those to this post. The question is, is it true that all 165HR 15 tires will be as you say? Are you suggesting that the wider the tire, the less of that situation will happen? In advance, thank you Keoke.


You are not going to like them they will be hard as nails and the arse end of your car will bounce around all over the road---Keoke

How's about elaborating on that statement.
Hard as nails.
Rear end will bounce around


'Hard as nails'

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A tyre that is as hard as nails is physically tough ,STIFF, and has little or no respect for irregularities in the road and when these irregularities are encountered using these tyres they cause the arse end of the car to bounce around.--Fwiw--Keoke--
 
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How's about elaborating on that statement.
Hard as nails.
Rear end will bounce around


'Hard as nails'

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A tyre that is as hard as nails is physically tough ,STIFF, and has little or no respect for irregularities in the road and when these irregularities are encountered using these tyres they cause the arse end of the car to bounce around. 165 X 80 X 15 tyres exhibit these characteristics--Fwiw--Keoke-- :wink:

P.S. A 165R 15 is a tyre specialy made for Jaguar's and is too large for a Healey.


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Good catch Keoke. I left out the H.
Should be 165HR 15. I've now made that correction in the post. Thanks for pointing that out.

The tire I'm considering is the Vredestein Sprint Classic 165HR15
 
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The tire I'm considering is the Vredestein Sprint Classic 165HR15


Well Roger,They will be stiff but if you do not have at least a 5" rim the preferred "Vredestein" 185HR X 70 X 15 tyre rides much better and improves handeling can not be safely mounted.--Fwiw-Keoke
 
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I have Dayton 72 spoke 5" rims.
Does a 165HR 15 fit that rim or does the 175 fit better?
Has anyone gone from the 165 to 175 tires?
What did you notice?
 
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Well the 165 will fit but it it is a better fit on a narrower rim. I would go for the 185 X 70 X 15 tyre if I were you, ride nice and handle good too. That is the combination I have been running for years.--Keoke
 
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Jaguars E-types and early sedans run mostly 185/80/15 tires.. not 165/80/15. The 185/80/15 is a hard tire and will be a very tight fit on a Healey. The 165/80/15 is a correct size. Depending on the brand makes the differance on hardness. The softest 165 out today is the Vredestein. It is rated 220 treadwear , traction A temperature B. It is H rated for speed ( That means it can run at 130 mph. The Vredstein 185/70/15 is Treadwear 180. It is a REAL soft sticky tire. You will not get 40,000 miles out of this rating. However most our tires never see 40,000 miles in 10 years. Run tire pressure at 28lbs. cold and it will be a good ride. The Multimile and Nanking 165/80/15s are cheaper in price and quality and harder than the Vredesteins.The old Michelins 165/80/15 were never great at grip and were great at slip ( ESPECIALLY IN THE RAIN )The 175/80/15 tire does not exist anywhere anymore. I miss the 175s..

Allen Hendrix
 
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wheelguy said:
The old Michelins 165/80/15 were never great at grip and were great at slip ( ESPECIALLY IN THE RAIN )
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I love it :lol:

Pat
 
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The Vredstein 185/70/15 is Treadwear 180. It is a REAL soft sticky tire. OH my goodness yes it is-- :laugh:

Jaguars E-types and early sedans run mostly 185/80/15 tires.. not 165/80/15.You absolutely right. :thumbsup:


OH you like 165'S ON 5.5" rims REALLY!!!---Keoke-- :frown:
 
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Only because the last batch of 185/70/15 Vredesteins had a issue of changing shape and balance as you drove them. vredestein replaced the ones I was having problems with and have not got back to me on what happened or if it was just a fluke on that run. I went with the 165s because it was never giving me any problems. Pirrelli had the same problems with all the tires that came on the new Jaguars . They would not stay in balance. I will use 185/70/15 again.. BUT from a fresh run. I will know then if it is a temporary issue or a on going. The 165/80/15 will fit fine on you Dunlops 15x5.5 wheels. I say Dunlop because Dayton does not make a 5.5.. Only 5 or 6 inch in your rim. I will post more on this issue as it goes. I have not had any problems in the past on the 185/70/15 Vredestein classic ... other than it did take more weight than other tires to get a balance. I expect that it was a fluke and all will be OK again when I give them another shot.. Wheelguy
 
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I had that problem with another brand of tyre I can not remember who it was but the manufacturer told me to inflate them to the Max Pressure indicated on the tire and run them for about 200 miles. That straighted them out. Well these newer Vredestiens are being made by Amtrl in Russia who knows . Nice chatting with you---Keoke
 
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They are right. I have had the same happen. Luckly the customer lived only 1 state away and was able to drive back after a month of driving and after another shave and balance they stayed perfect. Of course in my line of work .. asking a customer on the other side of the world to drive 200 miles then pay shipping back to get them perfect is not a great idea. That would not make me happy if it was my purchase. Soooo. I always try to make sure that when Iam done ....Iam completly done. I hate doing things twice.. Nice chatting.. Wheelguy
 
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Wheelguy,
Thanks for taking the time to post here. Your knowledge is very much appreciated!

I currently have Michelin X 175R15 tires on my car and don't want to push fitting a 185 in the wheel well, being I had to ad a spacer to my left rear, because the 175 was rubbing on the wheel well on hard turns. The spacer fixed that.

I can now replace with 175, but was thinking the 165's would center in the wheel wells better. If you look down the side of the car, one can see the tires don't place the same in the wells. For instance the drivers front is out farther than the drivers rear. Not out past the wings, but both are not in the same place from the edge of the wing. Mind you, you would not notice it, unless someone points it out. And we all know the short comings of our own cars.

You've commented on the 165's and the 185's. What about the 175's?
 
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You've commented on the 165's and the 185's. What about the175's?



:The 175/80/15 tire does not exist anywhere anymore. :iagree:--Keoke-
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Keoke said:
You've commented on the 165's and the 185's. What about the175's?

:The 175/80/15 tire does not exist anywhere anymore. :iagree:--Keoke-
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Thanks Keoke. I guess Vredestein's website is out of date.
According to Vredestein's website, the 175/70 HR 15 86 H is listed in their available sizes. Who knows how old that website is. Click here.
 
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GregW said:
Well Roger, for a mere $288 (per tire) looks like you can get some RS5s. Dunlop
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Well, that'd make your ///M Coupe tires look cheap! Historically, I've paid $205-$225 per tire for them...
 
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Well Roger, maybe you can find 4 of these that will fit.--Keoke-- :smile:

The Vredestein Space Master is a unique foldable spare tyre which can be inflated into a fully-fledged tyre in a few minutes and can be driven on for a distance of up to 3,000 kilometres..
 
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The Vredestein 175/70/15 does exsist. HOWEVER That is NOT the tire size we are talking about for a Healey. The tire size that is gone is a 175/80/15 tire. The higher the center # the taller the tire .. So a 70 profile tire is not as tall as a 80 profile tire. They do not always put 80 on the tag because it is as tall as they come. A 165/80/15 IS A 165/15 .. They do always put the shorter #s on that are below 80 . Like 175/70/15. A 175/70/15 tire will NOT be as tall a tire as a 165/80/15 Wheelguy
 
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The tire size that is gone is a 175/80/15 tire.--YEP

So a 70 profile tire is not as tall as a 80 profile tire. Additionally, this 70 profile tyre will throw the speedo off by about 3% or so.
On the other hand, the 185 X 70 X 15 will only offset the speedo by less than 1% compared to the 165 X 80 X 15 tyre--Keoke
 
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