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Battery wrap needed?

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My neighbor just bought a two year old Nissan. We noticed the "blanket" around the battery was rotted away on one side of the battery. Not chewed, but rotted. Touch the blanket and it crumbles where you touch it.

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We wondered ... is a battery blanket wrap really needed? What's the purpose? The Nissan replacement part is $65.

Thanks.
Tom M.
 
It’s a thermal wrap. Protects battery from heat/cold.
Is it needed? I would not replace it.
 
Thanks Elliot. We might replace it with a generic thermal wrap, when the battery needs replacing. Car is parked outside, and summer sun here in CT will bake the battery.

TM
 
Wow, I didn't realize the summer sun got that bad in Connecticut.

I've only had a couple of cars with them, and never saw the point, unless you're someplace very cold.
 
I look at like this: the battery is in the relatively closed engine by, just under a metal hood. Despite hood insulation, direct sun on the hood, when the ambient air temp is 80F, raises the temp under the hood to around 120F.

Sort of like how a closed car in 80F sun, becomes over 100F. Pets - and kids - die.
 
Thanks Elliot. We might replace it with a generic thermal wrap, when the battery needs replacing. Car is parked outside, and summer sun here in CT will bake the battery.

TM
How many cars have you owned over the years?
How many of them had battery wraps?
I tend to think any (or none) fireproof insulation would work. As to how much longer it will prolong the life of the battery, who knows?
 
"How many cars have you owned over the years? Can't even remember, but probably close to 15.
How many of them had battery wraps? Probably every car I've had in the last 20 years.
I tend to think any (or none) fireproof insulation would work. As to how much longer it will prolong the life of the battery, who knows?" Who knows - exactly right! Reminds me of the old research dilemma: How many people's lives will be extended, if they wear warmer winter clothes in the winter, than the warm winter clothes they wear now?


I think we'll wait 'til we replace the battery, and get a "generic" thermal wrap, ca. $15, at that time.
 
I've seen them in several cars.
Not to keep the battery warm, but to limit temperature fluctuations.

If it has cost money in production, then it has a function ;-)
 
This is a first for me, and I lost track of how many cars and trucks I've had over the years! PJ
 
Needless to say I know exactly what it is - I had one the winter I spent in Saskatchewan. In January that year the temperature never got above -40 for 21 days straight. (-40F = -40C) I also had a block heater, and if you didn't plug in your car at night it didn't start in the morning. I haven't even thought about either in years which I suspect is more about improvements in battery technology and fuel injection than the weather.
 
Take what I am about to type with a grain of salt for a few reasons; 1) this is anecdotal, gathered from my own experience with both my family's cars and customer's cars, 2) I haven't turned wrenches for a living in close to fifteen years and even then I mostly worked on British cars from the 50s-70s and American cars from the 60s and 70s, 3) my newest car is now thirty years old and the other car I regularly drive is sixty-four years old.

I have lived in both hot (110+ in the summer) and cold (-20 in the winter) places and I have seen many batteries killed by the cold and none I can think of killed by heat. This seems to hold even in new cars, I just got done replacing the battery in a 2012 Ford Expedition after a week of temps dropping down to single digits over night and not hitting 20 during the day. Yes, I have seen dead batteries in the summer, but those are usually old batteries, like the one in my Miata which I had to change this past year but it was also over five years old. The one I just changed in this Ford was only two years old.

Now, having said that, I do think that circumstances in cars have changed. Even in my newest car the battery doesn't have to deal with the extreme heat produced under the hood of modern cars, which are designed to run at very high temps, over 200 degrees. The operating temperatures of these cars creates a much hotter conditions under the hood than even the hottest day in Death Valley can create for an old car. My old pickup has 160 degree thermostat a large radiator, and an engine compartment that makes the V8 under the hood look tiny. By comparison in my son's 2019 Dodge, you can't even see the ground when looking under the hood because the engine, all the plumbing, all the computers, etc are stuffed into a bay that's half the size. We had to replace the radiator, water pump, etc in his pickup last August and when we were done and it was running I hit it with my laser thermometer, and the engine was close to 215 degrees, he googled it and that turns out to be the running temp. Everything under that hood was hot as a result. Just for fun, I fired up my Binder and let it idle up to temp and hit it, at the thermostat neck it got to 172 degrees and under the hood was really only marginally warmer than the ambient temperature.

So, now that I have been super long winded, if the thermal blanket is there to protect the battery from high temperatures (which it may well be there for); it is to protect it from the excessive heat generated by modern cars and not from a hot day. Also, I still see more batteries die in the winter than in the summer. Just my two cents, though with inflation it seems a lot more like a dime's worth. If you feel the need to replace the blanket, I would do it now, because that temp under the hood is only going to be a bit cooler now than it will be in the summer.
 
I had my share of cars over the years and never even heard of a battery wrap until today.
Me too. Many cars on both coasts. No wraps ever.
When I worked at an indy Jaguar shop, I do recall that some XJ6s had plastic battery buckets, not any kind of insulation.
I couldn't tell you if they were Original equipment or after market.
 
Thanks guys. If you look at the picture I posted, it looks like the "wrap" is/was rotting away, I assume because something (maybe battery acid, maybe something from the nearby lines and pipes) had leaked - and was maybe even still leaking.

The "wrap" is factory, and I've had that on all the NIssans I've had over the last fifteen years. On a few, the wrap was actually a five sided soft "box", open at the bottom. Top folded over and locked to keep the box closed.

Under the black outer layer, there appears to be a fuzzy fabric, I assume for insulation. Many online references describe the wrap as protecting the battery from engine heat, as (apparently) it's heat that degrades a battery. Cold will reduce CCA, and intense cold may actually freeze and burst the battery. But the wrap apparently isn't there to protect from cold.

Nothing is simple!
 
The "wrap" is factory, and I've had that on all the NIssans I've had over the last fifteen years. On a few, the wrap was actually a five sided soft "box", open at the bottom. Top folded over and locked to keep the box closed.
My Datsun 510 didn't have one and never needed it, in New York.
 
I think the key here is Tom saying his cars have had one for the last fifteen years.

I genuinely think that the wrap is only there on new cars because the engines get so much hotter than they used to get.
 
I genuinely think that the wrap is only there on new cars because the engines get so much hotter than they used to get.
I have no interest in any cars that are younger than 2000.
And older than that even better.
 
I have no interest in any cars that are younger than 2000.
And older than that even better.
Neither have I. My NA Miata is probably the newest car I'll ever own. I am leaning towards yanking the engine and tranny this summer and going through everything, after all it is over 225k and will be pushing 250k this summer.
 
My experience since 1955 is the cold kills batteries quickly while the rest pf the year they kind pf gp in hospice to let you know you better get a new one soon. The only exception to that was the gas golf cart battery that died on me with no warning last summer.
 
I look at like this: the battery is in the relatively closed engine by, just under a metal hood. Despite hood insulation, direct sun on the hood, when the ambient air temp is 80F, raises the temp under the hood to around 120F.

Sort of like how a closed car in 80F sun, becomes over 100F. Pets - and kids - die.
That's nothing compared to a couple of hundred pounds of metal (the engine) with a temperature close to 200F. My guess is that the wrap is for very cold temperatures.
 
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