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Sadly typical - really really nice guy and really knows his stuff but organization is not his strong suit!
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Sadly typical - really really nice guy and really knows his stuff but organization is not his strong suit!
If you go here Bugeye guy has what I think you are looking for. Jim Gruber also mentioned this
https://bugeyeguy.com/bugeye-stuff-for-sale#dash
https://bugeyeguy.com/bugeye-stuff-for-sale#dash
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If you want to see what original Bugeye floor covering looked like, see the late Biff Jones's MK II, "Ol'e Gray" https://api.ning.com/files/pM3ABSV3...Bz5W0aan3KJ68VfrHUtP6i8-ntmUle3G/IMG_1278.JPG Unless you find some NOS sets (better bring Indiana Jones, Bigfoot Hunters and that guy from Ancient Aliens because I haven't heard of any NOS stuff turning up since the '70s other than a few green tunnel mats) anything else used is going to be an approximate. The AMCO sets with aluminum covers are at least an accessory that was available in period. The center tunnel Bugeye Guy is selling, made out of Hardura, was never offered in that material as it was always rubber in the original. Take a good look at Biff's car, particularly over the raised sections of the flooring and you can see why its never been reproduced. The pieces were molded to fit over those sections. So whatever is used today is a compromise from what is original GFHoll's center mat is a good approximation of the original and about the best I've seen done in rubber.
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"In fact, when preparing a concours car, carpet is expressly forbidden, otherwise your car is heavily penalized. We set out to provide a great solution, and are proud to offer a hardura kit that now allows anyone to restore a Bugeye with a more authentic ruberized interior finish. We used this kit in the concours car we brought to the Gettysburg Enclave and this kit helped us to win gold certification. That was an impressive testimonial!"
This statement from the Bugeye Guy site makes no sense to me. I just reviewed the Originality Guide for Restorations and Registry Inspections (Concurs Guide). While cut pile carpet is a 15 point deduct it is not "expressly forbidden". (Loop pile is a 20 point deduct BTW). Why would hardura, a material never used on the tunnel cover get you more points than cut pile carpet that was used on later spridgets?The guide speak poorly to mismatches. Ribbed rubber floor covering and embossed hardura would appear to be a significant mismatch to me.
The guide allows up to 16 points (10 for originality, 6 for condition) for original ribbed floor covering in perfect condition. Anything different/less than that will get deductions. Ribbed AMCO style rubber mats, aluminum floor rail covers and a hardura tunnel cover surely would receive at least a 5 point deduction on originality if not more. Therefore the net deduction for cut pile carpet would be 10 points or less.
I'll get off my soap box now.
This statement from the Bugeye Guy site makes no sense to me. I just reviewed the Originality Guide for Restorations and Registry Inspections (Concurs Guide). While cut pile carpet is a 15 point deduct it is not "expressly forbidden". (Loop pile is a 20 point deduct BTW). Why would hardura, a material never used on the tunnel cover get you more points than cut pile carpet that was used on later spridgets?The guide speak poorly to mismatches. Ribbed rubber floor covering and embossed hardura would appear to be a significant mismatch to me.
The guide allows up to 16 points (10 for originality, 6 for condition) for original ribbed floor covering in perfect condition. Anything different/less than that will get deductions. Ribbed AMCO style rubber mats, aluminum floor rail covers and a hardura tunnel cover surely would receive at least a 5 point deduction on originality if not more. Therefore the net deduction for cut pile carpet would be 10 points or less.
I'll get off my soap box now.
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I'm guessing the Concours Committee must have had some interesting discussions over floor coverings. If the deduction for non-original floor covering was too high, the only cars to reach "Gold" would be very few indeed. Doing all that work for a concours car would be disincentivized if you could never get a Gold award, so I'm sure some compromises had to be made. I suppose in a perfect concours, it would just be tough luck if you didn't the "original" floor covering, just like if your metallic paint on big Healeys doesn't have the same size metallic particles as they did on the cars originally. But if you make the mountain too high, no one is going to try to climb it.
We scored 967.5 points with our Concours gold Bugeye. @Ray Evans, You are correct, carpet is not expressly forbidden, just well-penalized at 15 or 20 points as you mention depending on the carpet type. With carpet we might have dropped below the 950 point threshold and scored silver. Instead we received just a three point originality deduction for our hardura tunnel tunnel mat at the 2015 Gettysburg Concours. While we would have loved to go to that event with an original type of rubber mat, if you can find one, they are usually quite ratty, and you can lose up to 6 points for the right mat if it’s in poor condition.
For anyone reading this not familiar with Healey club judging, you can have a car with every single part original and not even score bronze level if the condition is not mint. In other words, everything has to be correct and in stellar shape. So our hardura tunnel mat, while not correct, matches the original boot material and looks really good, and also saves a bunch of points. When our car was judged for the prior owner in 2010, they received a 15 point deduction for the cut pile carpet in the car at that time. Those carpet points were the biggest point saving we were able to make, many of the 1/2 point improvements we made took almost as much effort. BTW, there were no deductions for the tin cross member covers because they are viewed as period accessories.
The judging is quite strict, (four judges for two full hours) and @HealeyRick, regarding incentive for climbing the mountain, there appears little effort to get people to participate and come back. Our car scored 849.5 points when judged for the prior owners at the 2010 Conclave, just one half point shy of a bronze award. I too would have thought judges might find a half point to inspire those owners to come back, but they sold the car instead.
The judging is quite strict, (four judges for two full hours) and @HealeyRick, regarding incentive for climbing the mountain, there appears little effort to get people to participate and come back. Our car scored 849.5 points when judged for the prior owners at the 2010 Conclave, just one half point shy of a bronze award. I too would have thought judges might find a half point to inspire those owners to come back, but they sold the car instead.