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Your first "Triumph"?

Darrell_Walker

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Your first "Triumph"?

I thought it would be interesting to hear the stories behind everyone's first "Triumph". There seems to be quite a mix of folks with one car and folks with "herds", and new owners and people who've had their car since new. I'll go first.

I purchased my first (and only, so far) Triumph in the summer of 1981. It was the summer before my senior year of high school. Technically, it wasn't my first car, but I think of it that way. I had a '71 Mustang for about 6 months (purchased for $1500, sold for $2000). I decided that I wanted a "two seat sports car". I didn't really know too much about British cars. I knew what an MGB and Spitfire was, of course, and the TR7 and 8 were still "new". In fact, I seem to have been in the minority that actually liked the wedge at the time. I had seen a few TR6s, as well, but knew little about them (and nothing about the earlier TRs). Anyway, with this vast knowledge, I set out to find my car in the metropolis of Bakersfield, CA.

There were lots of MGBs available, but almost all recent models, and well out of my limited budget (which was the $2000 from selling the Mustang). Similarly, most of the Spitfires were recent models, though I did look at one older model. For some reason it really didn't click with me, perhaps it was the 3" purple shag carpet. Though I thought (and still do) that the bonnet is about the coolest thing ever. I also looked at a clapped-out MGA, but it seemed a little old-fashioned for what I was looking for.

After a couple of weeks I was about to give up any hope, then there appeared an ad for a 1966 TR4A. I had no idea what that was, other than it must certainly be an earlier TR version, so I went to take a look. It was basically love at first sight. From the "power bulge" in the bonnet, to the aggressive stance, the car was what I was looking for, in ways that an MBG could never be. A deal was quickly struck, and the car was mine for $1850 (negotiated down from the asking price of $1900).

Fortunately, love is blind, because I'm not sure the car would be worth that much today, much less then (well, it was rust-free, so probably it would be). But I'll start my description from the cockpit. Recall that the car is only 15 years old and this point.

The was no carpet anywhere to be found, other than a few tatters in the rear shelf area. The bare metal floorboards were painted primer gray, which matched the gray vinyl that had been put over the door and rear panels (along with 1" foam padding, they looked more like pillows). The seats were original, but both had ripped out through the bottom. That did, however, really keep your butt glued to the seat (there were no seat belts, which was how the car was built. I thought that was really cool that I didn't have to have seat belts, since the law at the time didn't require that you retrofit). A PO had evidently put a lot of work in making a new dash -- out of regular plywood. I didn't look quite as bad as it sounds, and I thought the wooded dash was pretty cool. Much better than the contact-paper fake wood that was quite popular in cars of the time. And being the glove box door was … nothing. It was just an open hole. The center console was also stripped of any padding, but at least the natural aluminum matched the gray interior. The lower crash pad was missing on the passenger side. I made a replacement (came out pretty well), though it was a number of years before I knew it was supposed to have a handle (I just matched it to the driver's side). None of the heater controls were present, and in fact, the heater core wasn't even plumbed. Fortunately there didn't seem to be any problems with any of it, once it was connected. Though it was years before I had temperature control (such that it is) from inside the passenger compartment. A PO has installed a manual valve when they bypassed the heater core, and I continued to use that for some time.

The outside looked pretty good, but future work would reveal that at least 3 of the wings, one door and the boot lid where not original to the car. The B post on the driver's side was badly crushed, though the new rear wing hid it fairly well. The bonnet had some wrinkled paint in one area, where apparently there had been a small fire in the engine compartment. This appears to have been around the carb, as much of the wiring there had been replaced.

The engine and transmission would both be later discovered to not be original to the car. Both were older, the engine, based no the number, was probably from a TR4, probably 1964 vintage. An attempt had been made to retain the TR4A PCV system, but the block was missing the road draft tube (or a plug there), which was one of many sources of oil leakage. The radiator had clearly had a close relationship with the fan at one point, thought the damage to the tubes had been soldered, and I never really had any cooling problems.

The car had 14" alloy wheels, in a pattern that was popular on VW Bugs at the time, though actually looked pretty good (if not a little undersized). Fortunately, they managed to remain attached to the car even with a couple of studs broken off, and most of the remaining ones were the short, wire wheel length. While the car was delivered with disc wheels, at some point it had apparently been converted to wires, as it included four 4" wheels, and four trashed adapters.

So, let's hear your story!
 
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Darrell, thanks for starting this tread, I will enjoy the stories.

My first Triumph was a 1970 GT6+ that I purchased in 1972 with only 6,000 miles on it and in perfect condtion. Drove her daily for three years or so until I rolled it into a freshly plowed corn field after overcooking a wide turn at about 65 MPH.

<span style="font-style: italic">NOTE TO ALL GT6 DRIVERS: Once you break traction with the rear wheels in a sweeping turn, there's little or no time to react!</span>

The soft earth in the newly plowed field saved by bacon. Car left the road, hit the field and rolled twice. I got out and walked away, had my seat belt on securely which probably spared me. I've never, not once, driven any car without a seat belt since.

Loved that car, words can't describe how much fun I had. Chicks loved it, which made life so much more fun. It got me through my first two years of college, and much more!

I had to wait thirty long years for the next GT6, which was almost as much fun (but without the chick factor since I'm a happily married man). Strangely, I purchased my second '70 GT6 thirty years from the same month as I lost the first one.

I now have a nice '74 Midget, enjoying it immensely. Not the same car as the GT6, but just as much fun. The roadster factor is really nice!
 
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A 1959 Herald Coupe (948cc) at the age of 15. The car was older than I was at the time and I purchased it for the princley sum of AU$75. Spent the next 2 years pulling it apart and putting it back to gether. As a poor student mostly scrounged used parts. Resprayed it bright red, and installed an 8-track player. Thought I was the bees knees in my red Herald!

Next car was a Mk1 Spitfire. We never learn.

Rob.
 
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Very briefly, the first one in the family, bought new by my dad in fall 1958:

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[1959 Triumph 10 sedan]

This was replaced in January 1964 by:

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[1964 Herald 1200 convertible, originally Jonquil Yellow but repainted in a 1963 MGB green in 1968]

My own first Triumph, in late 1969, was a later 1964 Herald convertible, in white. Then a 1960 Herald sedan originally bought as a parts car to repair my white one, then a '69 Mk3 Spitfire, a 1960 TR3A, and on it went. (I'll spare you the rest of the list for now! :laugh: I still have the '64 Herald pictured as well as the '60 Herald sedan, along with many others!)
 
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Your dad was a glutton for punishment ,Andy
 
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My first TR was at 59 TR3A bought in 1974. Since then have had a TR6 (still have that one), 2 GT6s and a TR7 (moved on to new owners), and my current 56 TR3 restoration project. This pic is from the Spring of 74. The 59 TR3 is the reason I started on the 56 restoration ... I've always wanted to have another TR3. Cheers, Mike

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I was in the USAF and recently returned from Vietnam in 1971. Bought a 1961 TR3 and sold/traded it six weeks later for a 1964 Spitfire. Kept it for the next 1-1/2 years until I was discharged then bought a new 1973 Spitfire.

I would like to have another TR3 but really wish I had the first Spitfire. That was a car that just fit, if you know what I mean.
 
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My first Triumph and first car was a 1972 GT6 Mk3, bought in 1977.
Still have it 4 girlfriends and one wife later.

Jim
 
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DNK said:
Your dad was a glutton for punishment ,Andy
Well, from what I remember of my youth, I think mom suffered more, first with a '56 Plymouth wagon with a TorqueFlite transmission that got replaced after one year, then a '62 Dodge Dart wagon that rusted faster than a Fiat, and then a '68 Ford Country Squire that I liked a lot but that was just about completely worn out at only 80k miles!

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[Here's the Herald and Country Squire in our driveway!]
 
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My first Triumph is my current one, but then again I'm not an old guy like some....
 
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Well...It was 1964 and High School graduation. Very tough times for my folks...and Dad gave me the families 2nd car... A TR 10. Lasted this teenager about 9 months...and when I had the car serviced they drained the rear end to change the oil they put the plug in...but forgot to refill! Rear end lasted about 300 miles before the loudest BAM I had ever heard and this red hot pile of metal flew out of the rear end and stranded me in the middle of no where. I was in college...no money and trying to pay my own way...but as any other teenager...I could not live without a car. Stopped by the local Ford dealer and spotted this yellow TR3A. They signed me up on my own...and when I drove home I thought Dad would about shoot me. We didn't talk for weeks...he knew I had no business buing a car!
That TR3A started the string of fun cars. Next the 64 Porsche 356...followed by the 67 350 Shelby Mustang...and another 64 Porsche 356. Then along came the kids and good-bye to the fun cars. Son still wonders "Why did you get rid of those great cars Dad?". Right!
Then got the kids thru college...and year 2000...and I found the "Red Head"...1960 TR3A. 1 owner but a stored inside basket case. Took 4 years...but love this car! With 4 TR's in our small town and being surronded by many fun 2 lane roads this has been a great "Mid-Life Crisis!" Gil NoCal
 
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1980 Spitfire. I bought it new and I think it was wrecked before they put it on the lot. I noticed a few things after I had it for a while. Overspray on the chrome etc and one of the doors never did fit right.

I had a problem with the cooling system. I left the car with my friend while I took my kids to the beach. She had problems with over heating and loosing coolant. She took it back to the shop twice and they did not find anything wrong. When I got home I found that the bottom radiator hose was left loose.

Had problems with the carburetor and the manifold cracked.

I still don't know what made me want another Triumph.
 
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GilsTR said:
Son still wonders "Why did you get rid of those great cars Dad?". Right!

I still have that question for my parents. My dad had an Austin-Healey 100 in college, and my mom had a bugeye in high school....
 
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Darrell_Walker said:
So, let's hear your story!

Thanks for starting this thread and for going first. Yours is a great story.

This is a shortened version of an article I wrote for the TRA National Newsletter years ago. It's more of a story than the others have posted; hope that's O.K.:

I caught the sports car sickness from my brother Tico, 16 years older than I, who owned sports cars, rallied, was in a sports car club, and crewed on SCCA teams (Triumph, Lotus) in the sixties. One of my earliest memories is a ride in a sports car that I think was a TR3. The ride was Tico's present for my fifth birthday. The car was red, loud, the top was down, and it went around turns fast; it was totally unlike the American barges that my father drove. I loved it. I also played in a TR3 that sat in our driveway. It was going to be Tico's own racecar, but it never got finished.

In 1967, for my eleventh birthday, Tico gave me a subscription to Road & Track magazine. I not only read every article and every advertisement, I memorized them. To a child, races seemed like events of mythic proportions and the drivers like heroes. I wanted to be a grown-up with a sports car. I wanted to shift gears, double clutch, heel-and-toe, drift, rally, race, go too fast on public roads. I imagined myself doing all these things while I rode in the back seat of my father's giant mushy Buick and got carsick on curvy West Virginia roads.

The sports car bug went into remission until 1977 when I drove my 1950 Oldsmobile Futuramic to an SCCA race at Summit Point, I actually saw and heard what I had only dreamed of when I was eleven. Two weeks later I had a 1970 MGB. I learned to drift, double clutch, heel-and-toe; drove way too fast on public roads; put the top down even in cold weather. The B was my only car.

My need for MG parts led me to the local foreign car parts store. The owner campaigned a 1968 BMW 2002 in SCCA club road-racing. My frequent visits for parts led to a place on his pit crew. I started dating the Parts Girl. I drove my sports car to the sports car races and was actually involved. My pit pass was proudly displayed as I walked through the paddock area, maybe carrying a tire, hot, tired, dirty, and feeling on top of the world.

In the fall of 1979, the novelty of driving the B on a long commute in all kinds of weather started to wear off. I ended up with a new BMW 320i. After a while, I felt something lacking in the BMW. It had no character. I missed the wire wheels, loud exhaust, wind-in-the-hair top down motoring, so I started looking for another sports car.

At that time, I saw a Triumph advertisement that showed a TR7 parked in front of all the TR models that preceded it. It was not at the TR7 that I looked, but at a TR3 - powder blue with wire wheels - in the background. This was just what I wanted. It looked very uncivilized with the cut-down door styling. To me, the TR3 epitomized the sports car - excellent racing and rallying history, good performance, and no-nonsense design. I was directed to a dealer who had two TR3s for sale. After looking at them, I took the powder blue and rust one for a test drive. The engine would not idle, it would die. The front suspension was so far gone that it hopped all over the road. None of these things mattered to me - I had decided to buy it as soon as I saw it. This happened in 1980 and I have had the car ever since.
 
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Here's my first Triumph, a '58 TR3. Bought at Reedmans in PA for under $200 in '69. It replaced the MGA next to it which was sold for $60 (running....albeit poorly).

The TR blew an engine so I bought a good TR4 engine at Stucker's (in Staten Island) for $200. Later the trans blew and I put in a TR4 o/d trans ($125 also at Stucker's).

Sold it (running) for $150 when I bought my '67 Sprite.

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I used to alternate between sports cars and sensible cars. First sports car back in the olde country was a 1963 MGB (I didn't know any better), but the 2nd one was a 1962 TR4 (same as the one I have now except it was in much worse condition). Next was a Lotus Elan S2, then a TR5 (what the TR250 should have been over in the US); wish I still had the TR5. Then a Saab 900 Turbo (not a sports car, but man did the mid range acceleration put a grin on my face). Last one in the UK was a Lotus Elan S4 Sprint (even bigger grin).

Then came 25 dark years, changed countries twice before coming across the 1962 TR4 in 2006. What great fun it has been putting it back on the road. Now we have the 1970 Jag E-Type OTS to keep the fun going.
 
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Great stories! It's fun reading about how and why people get involved with cars.

Here's mine (sorry if it’s too long):

As with alot of people I'm sure my interest was hereditary. My dad always had a ton of old ā€œclassicsā€ about. Mostly big American cars ā€˜50s and ā€˜60s, but liked old VWs for some reason. Otherwise he wasn’t into other imports for the most part. I, for whatever reason, maybe being rebellious, I don’t know, really took a liking to foreign cars (although I like a wide variety of cars, just depends on the car…).

Anyway, about my first Triumph: I was 18, in college, and had been driving a ’72 240Z for about a year. That would make it 1988. I saw an ad in the local advertiser for a ’70 TR6 for parts, $500. I didn’t need a parts car so I ignored the ad. 2-3 weeks later I saw the ad again and decided it was worth a drive over just to check out an interesting car. When I got there, it was sitting in the guy’s carport, it was complete (with some rust of course) with factory wire wheels and factory hardtop. Then the guy opened the hood and using a remote starter fired up the engine. At that stage I had to ask, ā€œok, I give, what’s wrong it?ā€ He said it needed a clutch master cylinder and had been sitting for some time. He planned it to go to his son, but he didn’t want it. From my point of view this baby was no parts car; it was a driver. I said all I had was $400 thinking we could meet in the middle, but he said ok, how about $300. It took me a second to process that counteroffer, but I jumped on it of course. To top it off he then said he had a buddy who ran a wrecker service and could tow the car to me for free. I can only assume he was hoping I’d take care of it and let it go so low.

A few days later I had a new to me brown, fairly rusty and fairly worn TR6 in my parents driveway. Somehow I found the Roadster Factory, I think a buddy of mine who was into TRs turned me on to them. I ordered my catalog and stated making my wish list of parts I’d like but couldn’t afford. I did get the clutch master though and when that came in, my dad and installed it and bled the clutch. Most likely we did the same to the brakes. After the clutch seemed to work, we fired it up, and I found out the clutch plate had stuck, due to sitting around I can only assume. I could start the car in gear, but I couldn’t shift into 2nd. My parents had a fairly long driveway so I would try going back and forth attempting to find another gear. After a day or two it worked, I could shift gears!

The carpet and parts of the fiberboard trans tunnel were gone so I figured out I had a hole in the exhaust pipe, and it was pumping fumes straight into the cockpit. I didn’t care, my car could move under it’s own power! My dad and I got some handkerchiefs and goggles and stuck our heads out the side of the car and drove around the circle I lived on. Wind, fumes, noise, it felt like being the first person to ever drive a car, and we were all smiles. My dad did say that the exhaust needed to be fixed ASAP so I drove over to a local exhaust place and had them weld in a section. Man that made a huge difference.

A lot of good times in that car, and BECAUSE of that car. I drove all over the southeast and she always got me home, one way or the other. I’ve still got her, but she needs a full restoration which 2 kids don’t allow the time for right now. I still missed the little British roadster and had always wanted a TR3, and I wanted my kids to be able to enjoy it as well so that’s what I’m driving right now. But I haven’t forgotten my TR6 (or my 240Z) and will give them the restoration they deserve sometime sooner than later (hopefully).
 
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74 Spitfire basket case. Bought in 82 when really nice Triumphs were all over the place. (can you say knucklehead?). 1st and last attempt to paint a car!

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First Triumph I drove was an early model Spitfire around 1970 that was for sale by a co-worker of my mother. I worked with him too during a summer job. My mother did not like this guy and forbade me to buy the car. I wasn't too impressed with the car anyway, because it was too noisy (and I drove VWs!). Another co-worker bought the car and I later saw it dead by the side of the road on the way to work.

First Triumph I owned was a 1960 TR3A. I had read an article in R&T in the early 70s that stated the perfect sport car would be a 60 TR3 with steel wheels and OD. I found exactly this for sale in Columbia, SC in 1976. I was in grad school at Clemson University on an assistantship ($2,000/yr). Wife agreed to buying the car, so I put on a suit and went to visit a banker next town over. The man was the father of my neighbor, although I didn't tell him that. He was super nice and lent me the $1,300. Went to see the car and bought it for $1,250. Drove it for a while and it developed a puzzling knocking noise in the engine or transmission. Drove it sparingly until I could afford to have it properly worked on. Driving it to our new home after graduation in 1977, the oil pressure dropped way low. Had plently of oil in the sump so we foolishly drove on. Eventually got the car to Florence SC and it there it sat. A friend ran a foreign car repair shop and let me work on it there. I discovered the middle main bearing cap had worked loose and was causing the knocking and the low oil pressure. I replaced all of the bearings and tightened buttoned it up. The engine ran fine. The fact that this engine wasn't destroyed is a testament to their sturdiness.

Soon after tore the car apart to restore it as it needed floorboards. Surprise! I changed jobs twice, moved car twice on trailers. Finally sold the car in 1986 when I moved to my current home, because we were going to try to live on one salary and there was going to be no extra money. I didn't want to fight with moving the car again. Sellers remose set it and I tried to talk the guy out of buying it. I later ran into his wife on a job site and tried to buy the car back. She said her husband was mad at me because I had lied to him about the car???? I lost track of the lady and that car is now long gone. Started looking for another one and am still looking (24 years later). Now I can't afford them.

In 1989 I found a 64 Spitfire for sale for $800. The seller had gotten it as part of a package deal for a hot Pontiac Ventura and he didn't want no stinking Triumph. He drove up to show me the car in a cherry 64 GTO. The Spitfire was complete, together and looked decent. I offered him $400 and he jumped at it. I thought I could tune it up, go through the brakes and drive it until I found a TR3. Shipfitters disease set in and $8000 later the car still isn't finished. Its been drivable for years, but the onset of Crohn's has stolen my energy and desire to finish it.

Two years ago, a fellow from this web board offered up a free, rust free 1980 Spitfire. I jumped on it. Got the car home, rebuilt the engine, cleaned up the body, got a differential built for it. And there it sits. Don't have too much in this one, but I've got to finish them both and let one go. I had toyed with making the 64 an autocrossing car and the 80 a traveling car. The 80 has a 3.63 diff in it and I have an OD transmission that is currently in the 64.
 
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