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What would you do if it was your car?

Randy Harris

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My '66 BJ8 has undergone an extensive restoration. The car, while not concourse, is a truly beautiful 1 footer. Here's my dilemna:

Some time in its distant past, the car was in a rear ender. The damage must have been extensive because, after I bought the car, I discovered that the frame rails had been replaced from the X bracing back. In terms of safety and frame geometry the repair was done well. The Healey mechanics who have inspected the car have told me that the replacement rails are as strong or stronger than the original. Here's the issue: Evidently when the frame rails were fixed, replacement rails were not available as they are today. They were fabricated out of steel and are square box sections same as the original. Except... The welding on these replaced sections does not run down the center of the rail as the originals do. The net affect of this is that when you view the car from beneath you can clearly see where the old frame ends and the newer sections start. I could have a body shop run cosmetic welds down the rails and blend them into the originals. After some careful grinding and repaint, the fix would be nearly invisible.

I plan to sell the Healey in a couple of years when I relocate overseas. I would never sell the car without disclosing the frame fix, but I think a potential buyer probably would be less concerned if the fix was not so obviously visible, I think. Assuming you had the money to do this admittedly cosmetic cleanup, what would you folks do?
Thanks
Randy '66 BJ8 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif
 
Hi Randy,

It's hard to say if it will be worth fixing but I would be inclined to do it. I would get a quote on the cost and consider having the weld beads fabricated from sheet metal and welded on. The flanges are pretty high and think it will be an easier, less expensive and better result if you can make the flanges with two pieces of sheetmetal that have a weld bead going down the edge. Then you could have that tacked into place and carefully welded to the beam. Seems like a cleaner approach to me than building up many welds and then grinding down to shape.

Cheers,
John
 
If you're planning to pay someone else to do this job, I think the cost might well be more than the net effect on the value of the car. Unless the car is disassembled and put on a rotisserie, the welding will have to be done overhead, a difficult job at best. The rails would then have to be painted. If the car was well restored before, then you have a good paint job on the entire chassis. Patching may not provide as good a result as an off the frame job. If you go ahead, then John's advice is sound. Actually, if you clamp two pieces of sheet metal together and weld down the joined edges with a TIG or acetylene, no filler is required. The two pieces just melt together, thus the somewhat uneven appearance of the original frames.
Care must be taken, however, not to weld too much at one time, to avoid warping.

All that being said, the most you'll be doing is providing a cosmetic patch on a part of the car that is rarely seen, and then only for judging and maintenance. The judges will spot the difference, and the maintenance folks don't care. You're going to disclose the issue at sale. I know it bugs you to know it's not perfect, but few of them are. If you've got a great one footer with a sound frame, enjoy it. You're way ahead of most.
 
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My '66 BJ8 has undergone an extensive restoration. The car, while not concourse, is a truly beautiful 1 footer. Here's my dilemna:

In terms of safety and frame geometry the repair was done well. The Healey mechanics who have inspected the car have told me that the replacement rails are as strong or stronger than the original.

I plan to sell the Healey in a couple of years when I relocate overseas.

I think a potential buyer probably would be less concerned if the fix was not so obviously visible, I think.

Assuming you had the money to do this admittedly cosmetic cleanup, what would you folks do?

Thanks
Randy '66 BJ8 /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif

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Randy--

I only quoted exerpts from your post to highlight the relevant points that

1. The repair was done well from a structural standpoint.
2. You plan to sell the car relatively soon.

It is arguable if doing the cosmetic work will put prospective buyers at ease--one might just as well feel that you were trying to disguise the extent of the repair.

Don't get me wrong--I applaud you for your integrity but it is like painting someone else's house without knowing what color they prefer.

If it were my car I would drive and enjoy it while I had it and disclose the repair to any potential buyer.
 
I do not really know Randy, However the one piece box section is stronger than the original box frame type. If the car is good its good and who is gonna get up underneath to look at the frame any way.But, if it bothers you the only thing I can suggest that might be economical would be to have caps welded over the bottom of the frame.-FWIW---Keoke
 
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I plan to sell the Healey in a couple of years when I relocate overseas.

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Additional advice ... don't sell the Healey, take it with you! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cheers,
John
 
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I plan to sell the Healey in a couple of years when I relocate overseas.

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Additional advice ... don't sell the Healey, take it with you! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cheers,
John

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I wish I could take it, but where I'm going (Tuscany) there aren't any garages. I'll probably store the E-type here and sell the Healey. I've got a few other cars to worry about too. It breaks my heart to think about letting it go.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I don't know what I'll do but it's always good to get well informed opinions before I jump in on this. By the way, I've added a Healey restoration page to my little website. Just go to
https://www.cooperguitars.com and follow the links.
Best and Happy Holidays all
Randy
 
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It is arguable if doing the cosmetic work will put prospective buyers at ease--one might just as well feel that you were trying to disguise the extent of the repair.[ QUOTE ]


My thoughts exactly.

Bruce
 
When you get ready to sell, let me know. I don't care about the frame corretness, only the soundness. I have been looking for a BJ8. My first two cars were a TR3A and a BN4. Time for something with windows for the winter.

Jerry
 
The car, while not concourse, is a truly beautiful.

Just drive the car and let everyone enjoy the beauty. If it was a 100 point car, would you be able to just have fun? Been there and done that, worried all the time, not good. Wayne
 
Randy, I heartily applaud your honesty, and concern for the potential buyer. Sadly, it seems to be a lost virtue these days.
Rather than go through the process of doing nothing more than an essentially cosmetic fix, I think that if you made any potntial SERIOUS buyer aware of the situation, you wouldn't be losing anything by letting it go the way it is.
But,on the other hand, if I were the one making the decision, the Jag would be gone, and the Healey would stay.
Let your conscience be your guide.
Jeff
 
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