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daverosscohen

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Hello All,
First post here, so here goes.

I just inherited a 64 BJ8 that has been sitting about 7 or 8 years. When it was parked, it was in very good shape, looking at inspection records from the last year it was driven, everything looked perfect.

Unfortunately, it was not stored properly and merely 'parked'. Obviously, nobody's a mind reader, but what am I getting myself into here? Is this a big $$$$ job to get it running again?

I assume I'll need

flush and replace all fluids, replace plugs/wires?, belts, brake lines?

If anybody has similar experience or wisdom to pass on, please do .. THANK YOU!

-dave
 
Welcome, and congratulations.

Besides the things you've already mentioned, and in no particular order, would be the following...

Workshop & factory parts manuals will be mandatory. I recommend the Bentley manual (Amazon.com should yield several new/used available).

Brakes: wheel & master cylinders don't like periods of disuse, so plan on going through them; purge and flush the clutch (also hydraulic) at the same time.

Fuel system: the gasoline in the tank is dank, so another system to purge & flush; the diaphragms in the carbs are likely to be dry-rotted and will leak fuel, so they will require rebuild kits too. Not sure if that can be done with the carbs in situ on a BJ8, or if they'll have to be removed.

Tune up: go by the book, and check/adjust valves (set at .015" cold, seeing as you can't do .012" hot, at the moment); clean or replace the ignition points & condenser, if still fitted; new sparkplugs (NGK BP6ES are my favorites) and inspect the ignition wires for breakdown (read with ohm meter, if possible).

Those items will keep you busy for a while, and you'll get all the support you can imagine from the crew here (most of us have nothing better to do...).

We want to see pictures of your car too: as found, once cleaned up, and throughout the recommissioning process.

Now, get to work!

I don't think it's an insurmountable job, just a series of weekend projects.
 
Congratulations Dave, you're one lucky person. First thing you need to do is join one of the Austin Healey clubs. Unless your car came with a lot of reference material you'll find the clubs resources invaluable. The two clubs are, the "Austin Healey Club of America" and the "Austin Healey Club USA". Both have good websites, both offer an excellent monthly magazine.

Now, how about posting some photos of your car!
 
Dave,

Welcome. First off, why don't you tell us a bit about your knowlege and experience with Healeys in particular and British sports cars in general. The n we know how much detail to give you.

If you really are new to these cars, you need a little attitude orientation. These cars are not Hondas or Toyotas or even Chevys. They come from a time when regular owner maintenance was expected. If you follow the maintenance schedule and do regular inspections, the cars run fine. If you treat it like a modern car that comes with a 10,000 mile oil change schedule, you'll have an unsatisfactory experience. The good news is the cars are relatively easy to work on, and people here are happy to give advice. First piece of advice: get a workshop manual and an owner's handbook. Both are available on lione through ebay sellers or through the catlogue companies.

The big Healey has a robust engine. They are legendary for sitting for years and then firing right up with very little effort. But you want to be safe and you want to minimize the impacet of starting a "dry" engine. First, drain out the old gas. There is a drain bolt at the bottom of the fuel tank, but if the area looks questionable (rusty) you can end up rupturing the tank by trying to remove a stuck drain bolt, so be careful here. Another method is to siphon the gas out of the tank. In any even, add fresh fuel slowly, all the while checking for leaks at the tank.

With a good battery installed (check to see if it is positive or negative ground before your remove the old battery and put the new on in in the same configuration) turn on the key to the first stop (don't crank the engine) and listen for the fuel pump. It makes a ticking sound. The fuel pump should tick for a few seconds and then stop. If it does not stop, the fuel system is leaking gas. This is a common problem with Healeys that have been sitting. It usually means the float needles are stuck open. Look in the manual to find out how to unstick them. It could also be a leak in the lines, so find the source of the leak and then address it. Once the fuel system is found to be sound and safe, move on to step two.

Remove all the spark plugs (buy new ones. May as well replace them) drain the old oil and change the old filter. Refill the engine with fresh oil and spray some light oil into each spark plug hole. Now disconnect the distributor wire. In this configuration, crank the engine for about two or three minutes while someone watches the oil pressure gauge. Keep cranking until the starter motor has turned the engine enough to build up oil pressure. If the gauge never moves, it could be brocken. Disconnet the thin oil pressure gauge line coming from the engine at the engine and then crank it again. If oil shoots our of that lime, you have oil pressure, but a problem with the gauge.

Now the engine is lubricated and the start-up won't damage the bearings, etc. Replace the plugs, reconnect the wire to the distributor and remove the distributor cap. crank the engine over while someone looks at the distributor and see if you have spark at the points. You should replace the points, rotor condensor and cap, but for now, see if you have spark. If you do, replace the cap. Now drain the radiator and the engine block and flush the coolant out. They both have petcocks that let you drain the coolant. Refill with fresh antifreeze mix.

Now put the car in neutral, set the chokes, turn on the key, and start the car. If it runs poorly, then you need to check the ignition, compression and carbs to find out why. If it seems to run well, try operating the clutch. See the next paragraph.


The hydraulics are another story. At the very least, you will need to flush the brake and clutch hydraulics and replace the fluid with Castrol LMA and bleed the system. At the worst, you will find lots of leaks and have to rebuild all the hydraulics and replace the lines. Usually, you end up needing ro replace some of the rubber lines, and you should rebuild all the cylinders and calipers. Your saftey is on the line here, so don't skimp on this step. With the hydraulics working, see if the clutch works. Often the clutch disc sticks to the flywheel after sitting for a long time. You will know if this has happened if the clutch pedal operates, but the car will not go into gear. You will hear a grind. If that happens, the disc can be unstuck, but I'd seek help from soneone with experience.

You should also drain and replace the tranny and diff oil while you are at it. I think that vcovers most of the basics for bringing an old sleeper back. Oh, you should also replace the tires before driving the thing around much.
 
Dave

Welcome to the Forum.

Yes all that you have mentioned, plus rubber hoses, if you can not be sure of their condition, nothing worse that hoses going when you are in the middle of no where and all that is just getting the car to move and stop.
It really depends what you want to do.
Take a look at the on line catalogue from AH spares that will give you an indication of costs, I believe that Moss in the USA also have an on line catalogue for the big Healeys. Whilst brakes and engine are obvious starting points, the wiring may not be so much of a problem, innitially any way. Take it in easy bites and slowly deal with the problems as the cash becomes available. What does the chassis look like, check from the top as well as below, get the carpets back and poke around the visible chassis rails with a screw driver, that and the body is where the big money can be spent on.

To give you a flavor of what could be ahead, my car is a rolling restoration and so far, and in order, over the last 5 years -
Replaced broken stator column and horn push as soon as I bought it, then new Fuel pump, renewed kingpins and bushes on the front suspension and also re bushed the rear suspension, new S/S exhaust system, new rotors on the front and had a great deal on the brake calipers so invested in reconditioned units at the same time, replaced the clutch and installed a rear engine oil seal at the same time then immediately burnt an exhaust valve in the cylinder head on the test run so had that re engineered for unleaded fueland lastly, ripped out the floor and cills ( rockers) on the driver's side, repaired the top of the chassis and replaced all the ripped out bits with real metal - there was a good mixture of rust and fibre glass before. Still to do - the floor and cills on the other side, some repair work on the rear seats above the bump stop boxes, replace the trunk floor and an engine rebore.
I aim to carry out each bit a year at a time so I can get the car on the road for each summer, though the renewing of the floor took longer than expected for a great number of reasons this year.

Best of luck

Bob
 
Do an archive search here for "Waking A Sleeping B" or something to that effect. It is a step by step procedure for putting a car - MGB in this case but applies to all cars - that has been dormant for some time back on the road. Tony Barnhill, one of the members here, put it together. It's very thorough and should be helpful.
 
Dave,
Congrats on the car, I'm just down the road from you in Florence, AL. Would be glad to help you get it back on the road. Sent you a PM with my phone number.

Marv
 
I want to add some more things to the great advice above. You own an expensive car which has a heritage. It is the responsibility to the next generation to LOVE this car (not hard to do). Register it with the BJ8 registry (costs nothing) so we will all now your car for now and future. Get a Heritage report if you do not have one so you will know how it came off the line and when it was completed. These are about the most awesome cars produced. You also get a family (all of us). When you join a local club you will be able to drive with others to interesting places, go to shows and events and discuss these cars. Our ages are all over the spectrum. Families are involved.
Welcome!
 
I aggree with all the above, but might suggest a couple of other things:

This car came, I believe, with power brakes. There's a booster under the right front wing (fender). It's vacuum operated. At the least, ensure that the vacuum hose is patent. More than likely the booster isn't working.

Check the condition of brake pads and shoes. If you find that the rear brakes are coated with oil, then you've got bad rear seals.

Remove all wheels, clean the wheel and hub splines, and place appropriate light coating of grease on the splines. Check front wheel bearings, and repack.

Tires are probably shot. They may be good for a low speed spin around the block, but are probably not safe for highway speeds or prolonged use. They will probably be out of round and problematic for driving in any event.

Check for broken or loose spokes.

Hydraulics are the main issue, in my opinion. There's a great temptation to get the beast running, but you've got to stop it somehow. Think of that before you trust your life to the brakes.

Good luck.
 
Check the age on the tires. There is a 4 digit date code. First two numbers are the month of manufacture, the second two indicate the year. So 1209 is December of 2009. If over 7 years (open for debate) don't drive at high speeds. Use until you get the car going with all the stuff above. Safety first, brakes and tires.
 
Everyone's mentioned all the mechanical stuff but my first concern would be RUST--Healeys are notorious for rusting out esp. the doglegs, outriggers and sills. This is expensive stuff to repair if you do not have the requisite skills to do welding, body work and painting.

That's where I'd start--that free car can get awfully expensive quickly.
 
All the information above is mind boggling. While it may be necessary or desireable over time please temper it with common sense before getting totally discouraged and turned off.

For example, if the points and condenser and cap worked seven years ago what happened in that time would make them unservicable? Change the rear gear lube ? My ancient Corvette doesn't even have a drain plug on the rear end- fluid is supposed to last forever !

I am a 75 year old cynic and a regular on several boards and the thing I notice most is how quick the members are to spend someone elses money.

Maybe you are looking for a concours restoration, or possibly a decent driver. Your ultimate goal should have some bearing on the approach to getting your new find motoring. Think first, spend second, drive third.

I will get a ration of flack over this but it's only a car. A pretty car that is fun to drive but ultimately little different from my Chevy Cobalt. Bob
 
Let me tell you a story about an LBC (highly abbreviated).

18 months ago I got a Jag.
1964 MK2, RHD, 2,4L 4-speed.
Always wanted one, and knew what I was in for.

However:

I wanted a driver.
A nice driver, but a driver.
So, I treated it as any used car, get it running, fix what doesn't work, and then what breaks.

Wrong carbs (Mercedes), fixed that.
Vacuum advance blown, fixed that....then found some moron had welded the breaker plate (braze).
Fixed that.
Points, condensor, correct plugs, finally wire ends.

Master cylinder, then PBR booster, fixed that.
Brake hoses.

Tyres, so badly weather checked you could see the air inside them.
Fixed that.

Remove all traces of AC, replace fan belt (hidden by compressor).
Find a forward console section for radio and all the heater controls (landfill when AC was installed in Singapore).

Re-worked all the wood.

Get all the doors to open from both the inside and outside, one opened for the first time in 30 years.
Fix all the door locks.

Rework window mechanisms to function smoothly.

Oil sender.

Thermostat (none present).

Change oil and filter.

Clutch slave...and flex hose.

Re-do all the pieces under the head bolts........in the wrong places.

Add the buttons for the carpets.

Repair (for now) the paint.

Fix the map light and get the Lucas FogRangers functional.

Repair the dent in the nose.

Find a tool box and some of the tools.

Re-work the "new" SU fuel pump 4 times, then replace it.

Add a new fuel filter housing (warped).

Add an outside rear view mirror.

Have the console recovered to match the seats.

Replace one taillight lens.

Replace one jacking point rubber bung.

Still to do:
Rebuild the wiper motor (wrong, single-speed) with the 7/8ths of a 2-speed I have, replace the drivers seat back (bent), get the car stripped and painted (30 year old lacquer over two coats of original), etcetera, etcetera.

However, I have put over 5,000 miles on it, and won a first in the Jag Club local "driven" class.

Drives like a Jag, sounds like a Jag, looks like a Jag, and smells like a Jag, and it's a work-in-progress.

Ain't that hard.
 
Beer. You will need lots of it and music. Actually, if it has been well maintained it may well fire right up with fresh gas and a battery. In fact, I would try that. If you are not familiar with the car, you may in screw something up and then not know what is wrong or do harm. Then if it doesn't start, you can isolate the problem.

Get the gas out, good battery, check the oil, water, and brake fluids, turn the key, if no tick-s tick-a, bang the bang the back seat opposite the fuel pump. Bet she fires up. Let it run a little bit but don't drive it. Get a Healey Owner's manual as well as a shop manual. Do the scheduled maintenance in the Owner's manual. It is easier to understand.

Join your local club. Some club member will love to look it over, check for rust in the frame in the usual spots, brake lines etc.

If it won't start, odds are fuel pump, fuel filter possibly installed in secondary location by a PO. Next would be points, condenser or coil. Remove the canister oilfilter from the engine block then separate the canister. Take note of the springs and washers. If they are in the wrong order by you or PO, oil pressure will be low.

Once it is running, you may have a little or a lot to do but you can do it a little at a time. Except for sticking brakes and brake booster, not much goes bad just from sitting in a garage for a few years. It is more a question of what it needed before it sat.

Keep posting.
 
The ride may be rough for the first 100 plus miles but it settles in as the hydrolic dampers and steering loosen up. You may also need new rubber on the front sway bar (very cheap and easy but makes the ride better).
So, now that we have scared the c--- out of you to get the price down, we will start the bidding on your car.
 
You could do much, or all of the above, or you could <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">RUN!</span></span> :jester:
 
umm -- not to be sarcastic, but the work needed is going to depend on how bad the car is. Does the engine even turn?

Are any of the wheels rusted in place?

How much water got into the car during storage?

The car I bought sat for 25 years, but just the ambient humidity fused the aluminum pistons to the block.

I am not in the most humid place.

You really need to do a VERY thorough inspection before you do anything. Once that is done, then you can start repairs....
 
Hello, Dave -

I'm just up the road from you, in Clarksville. You need to join the Nashville British Car Club - lots of good folks there with whom you can consult. Website's here.

And if you're ever in Clarksville, coffee's always on.

:cheers:
Mickey
 
Oh, and BCF Moderator, Tony Barnhill, has an excellent checklist for bringing your AH back to life:

HERE

It's specific to MGB's, but pretty much universal in scope.

Mickey
 
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