Warning - Crap Hydraulic hoses

[PAUL161]

Well I read the article and it isn't any different than most others. You have to put yourself in their shoes. You can not warrant the installation of any product if you have no idea who's installing it. That's only common sense! They have to cover their tail in this Sue, Sue, Sue environment we live in today! As far as a product is concerned, most dealers will try to make it better or change their source of supply if there's a problem in the manufacturing process. I personally can not say anything against this business in discussion, as I have dealt with these knowledgeable people many times and they have always been very friendly, helpful and sold me a decent product. But we must remember, they have no way of knowing if an item they sell doesn't preform like it's supposed to if we don't tell them. But we can be nice about it in the process, their only working people trying to do a job. JMHO.

 

[aeronca65t]

.....But we must remember, they have no way of knowing if an item they sell doesn't preform like it's supposed to if we don't tell them. But we can be nice about it in the process, their only working people trying to do a job. JMHO.

Excellent point! :thumbsup:

 

[angelfj1]

Paul: I'm just back from Watkins Glen (more on that later) and have just now seen your posts. Yes, I did not divulge the source of the defective part because of forum rules AND because I wanted to wait until after the resolution of this transaction. I will consider this resolved when I receive either a superior replacement (this may not be possible) or have complete refund, and they tell me what action will be taken to prevent these hoses from being sold to others. Mind you, there's no way for me or anyone else to police this activity, so all I will end up with is their word, and the name of the person who is responsible for following up this issue. After this occurs, I would be happy to report the full story.

Regards,

Frank

 

[JamesWilson]

A question for you, James........ If a student has written something that has been previously published, either in print or on the internet (such as a blog, etc) not connected with study, and then goes and pulls his own work, word-for-word for use in a paper later, do you consider that plagarism? Assuming that the material is relevant to the requirements of the paper, of course.

Merely curious.

So long as they provide a citation they're observing correct procedure. A sentence or paragraph isn't such a big thing if they're really the authors; but a cut-and-paste job of several pages without citing it would be frowned upon, even if its their own work. Its not all that hard to restate work and that is common practice if an author wants to address different groups. Each will get the same basic material, just tailored a little and maybe re-worded a lot for them.

Even if they do not provide a citation they're unlikely to be severely punished, for a student. But if they're a PhD student, or faculty; then a higher standard is expected. They'd probably be asked to re-do it, it it wasn't yet published. If it had been published there might then be consequences, particularly since most academic publishers now require a copyright transfer- and that alons makes such practices counter-productive.

What's strictly forbidden is using other people's work without proper recognition- a sentence or two might be an oversight, but I've found one or two cases where there was wholesale copying of page after page. It can be particularly bad with stduents whose first language is not English. They simply fail to grasp that the shift from their own semi-literate English into someone else's polished langauage and sophisticated discussion or analysis is so obvious to anyone that's taught for even a little while.

 

[DrEntropy]

....then I s'pose I'd be sussed in a eyeblink...

 

[Scott_Hower]

... and they tell me what action will be taken to prevent these hoses from being sold to others. Mind you, there's no way for me or anyone else to police this activity, so all I will end up with is their word, and the name of the person who is responsible for following up this issue

And they owe this to you why?

I can completely understand your right to a refund for a part that did not meet your expectations. But if they choose to pull their remaining stock, it's their call not yours. Perhaps you got a defective hose; perhaps the supplier had a bad batch. Regardless, it's really not up to you to police what they choose to sell. They paid for the materials and tooling and/or negotiated the manufacture.

You have every right to feedback your experience with the quality of their product and even share your opinion publicly. But you have no right to demand they stop selling their inventory - the vendors quality group will make that judgement call. And the individual who makes that call at the vendor in question happens to be a stand up guy, you don't need to second guess his judgement or "police his activity". No offense, but perhaps you should lighten up and get off your soapbox.

 

[angelfj1]

Lighten up? You've got to be kidding. Soapbox? No, more like a pulpit I believe. Why? Because if one person avoids an accident or worse (due to the failure of a part, that has been known to be defective or inferior) I would feel this was all worth while. I could not imagine why anyone would feel differently!

 

[Scott_Hower]

Lighten up? You've got to be kidding. Soapbox? No, more like a pulpit I believe. Why? Because if one person avoids an accident or worse (due to the failure of a part, that has been known to be defective or inferior) I would feel this was all worth while. I could not imagine why anyone would feel differently!

Self righteous much?

Seriously dude, it's a freaking clutch hose. You lose a clutch, you grind some gears. If you don't like their product, voice your opinion and trust them to evaluate the scenario. If there are enough complaints, they'll figure it out. If you want perfection, have one custom made. Otherwise, be thankful there are suppliers out there that allow you to pick up the phone and buy a ten dollar hose for a 40 year old car.

Peace.