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As someone who is very far away from a British car club, much less a Triumph club, the national club scene seems distant and unimportant. I turn wrenchs on my Triumphs, and other cars pretty much by myself. I go to a few car shows that are close enough to me to attend, and have never entered a car, especially not my beat up little Spitty. Some people at such events are curious about what my car is where it was built how old it is ect. I enjoy answering their questions, but so far my boss is really the only person I've met that has alot of knowledge about these cars. For someone to talk to about Triumphs, I have this forum and my work. Granted it would be nice to belong to a large national club like VTR but with meetings in Rockford, Ill. I'd never make it. For a person like me a local club would be great. So why doesn't everyone just move to southwestern Oklahoma and we can make our own club and form a new Triumph order.
 
Glen,

As a semi-"triumph owner" (hey, my driveline's TR6) watching from the sidelines, mind if I chime in? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The problem as I see it is much as has been said by others: there is too much fragmentation. TRA for the TR2/TR3 guys, 6-Pack for the 250/6 owners, not to mention the plethora of local clubs. A centralized club can only scale so far before people fail to see the point of their money (ie TVRCCNA works as a central organization because there's "only" 400+ members IIRC, but how many thousand TR owners are there in the US).

Now, what if the VTR went back to its roots as a repository. Follow the model of UFWDA in the Offroading community. VTR would sit as a national coordinator/repository above the local clubs. Clubs like Delaware Valley Triumphs could elect to join, and if they do then $5 (or $10 or whatever) of each members dues would be sent to VTR, which provides a central repository for information, legislation, or whatever. The club memberships do not eliminate individual memberships for those who are not members of clubs, but they allow a wider variety of people to become involved.

Another thought on the lines of providing value to the membership is for VTR to become involved in more events than just the convention. For example, TVRCCNA is broken into regions. Many members can not make it to our national meeting in NJ amd thus lose interest in the club or question its value. To combat this we have discussed the addition of regional events where a TVRCCNA Region would ally with a local show (such as possibly The Original British Car Day for the Mid-Atlantic region) where in addition to the standard show the TVRCCNA Region would sponsor awards for TVRs. This model is used successfully by the North American Spitfire Squadron (NASS) which held a show in conjunction with the Indy british car show in Brownsburg, IN last year. There were almost as many spitfires/GT6's as other british cars and it drew a lot of attention to NASS as well as helping publicise the show.

Echoing the sentiments of others, the closing of the technical articles was rather upsetting for me as well. As I've said in other posts here, I'm a TVRCCNA member. The articles were helpful, but not necessary. I might consider paying $5-10 for article access as an "Affiliate" instead of a "Member" if new articles were being written, but a full membership is kind of pointless for me, especially since I can't even tell if I would be welcome at VTR 2005. One option that might be considered would be cross-licensing articles with other clubs. For example, TVRCCNA will be launching their new site soon which will have a members-only section that may include some articles (the webmaster is still figuring out the capabilities of our new host and what the members want). If it does have articles VTR could agree to trade access with clubs like TVRCCNA or 6-Pack that also provide information that may be of interest to its members.

Basically, to sum up my haphazard thought train: The collector car hobby does not seem to lend itself well to a centralized national organization since the popularity explosion of the internet. Clubs like VTR (and TVRCCNA) need to work hard to come up with value for their membership, and one way to do that may be to decrease operating costs (by decentralizing into supporting a local club) and accordingly decrease income such that the value to the enthusiast increases.
 
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Well I think the 2006 VTR is in Dallas, which is as close to Lawton as it will ever be (and probably as close to Tucson as it will ever be too). 500 miles is about my limit unless I'm real sure I'm going to be well-treated when I get there so won't make that one either.
 
I have on two seperate occasions requested info via email from the VTR. I was totally ignored both times. The info I requested was how do I join and what are the benefits. I believe in customer service and if this is the way they act before they have my money, how will they act after???
 
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[/ QUOTE ] Well I think the 2006 VTR is in Dallas, which is as close to Lawton as it will ever be (and probably as close to Tucson as it will ever be too). 500 miles is about my limit unless I'm real sure I'm going to be well-treated when I get there so won't make that one either.

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Not to steal any attention from this year's VTR Convention... but yes, next year's convention is in Dallas. As a (relatively new) member of the host club, Red River Triumph Club, I can tell you this is a bunch of nice folks and we'll do our best to make *everyone* feel welcome.

But as much as I'm looking forward to that, I'm not yet a member of VTR. I just haven't seen the value in it (other than the requirement to be a member in order to attend the conventions, if that counts). Like someone else said, the tech articles were useful, but the information is not unique to VTR.

On the other hand, I have found the local VTR affiliate club to be quite worthwhile. But like with this forum, the value is in being able to talk with others who are rebuilding, maintaining, and driving their Triumphs.

I would love to see the VTR become a more relevant club, but I'm not quite sure how that would happen. One thing someone mentioned earlier that caught my attention, is some sort of rating or oversight of parts suppliers. Of course, just one of the multiple difficulties there is keeping information current.

As for TRA, even though I own a TR3, I was more interested in more general Triumph, or even British, clubs. But at least this year's TRA meet was opened up to all Triumph models.

I've rambled on long enough...

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif Keep drivin' 'em!
 
Then has anyone had any problems with support from any club officers or vehicle consultants, or other support or non-support issues? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nonono.gif

I seriously want to know if my $30 can be better spent elsewhere, like in my gas tank!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif

There are a lot of folks reading - under 425 so far, not a lot of talking - less than 25 - so this has got to be a record, Triumph owners without an opinion on something?? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Look at it this way, your opinion counts just because you a Triumph enthusiast in North America, not because you are a VTR member or not. VTR is an organization chartered to support all Triumphs in North America! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grouphug.gif

The VTR national meeting is in 2 weeks. Come on, Spill it!! Where's the BEEF!!
<font color="red"> Are they doing the bloody job or not!?! Why or why not?? </font>
 
Glenn,

I hate to say it but it seems to me that there just aren't that many VTR memebers on the forum, and even less who seem at all interested in becoming members. So opinions about the organization, how it is run etc., aren't relevant to the majority of us here. As for next years meeting being in Dallas, while that is close enough for me to actually attend I still wouldn't join, because where will it be the year after that, and so on and so forth. Being semi close to me one year and then being 2000 miles from me for the next ten years doesn't increase my intrest in the organization.
 
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Actually, that first counter increments every time someone (like me) takes another look to what else has been said.
 
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