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MGB Up-date--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

PRBrauer

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Update--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

Everyone,
About 4 weeks ago I posted a query regarding my first LBC and the fact that I didn't get home without it dying. I found this forum and posted a message and got a lot of good solid advice-- some of which is still being implemented. I thought I would give everyone an update. The good news is I got from point A to point B today. Yeah! If you recall the car died on its maiden trip, losing power and seemed to be running on a couple of cylinders. The front plugs looked wet. Got lots of suggestions and even thought it was better but then the header pipe really went south too and the engine was only running on maybe 2 cylinders (bad off). So I towed it to a sports car garage as I am a total newbie. The mechanic noticed that the intake manifold was a bit thinner than the exhaust manifold (about 1/8"). So when the bolts were tightened it bent the stud bolts and the intake was probably taking in some air. He got that fixed and the header pipe fixed. Set the carbs to baseline and he took it for a test ride. It acted up on him once and cleared itself and since we both had no really idea how much it was run before I purchased it he thought it might have been some junk that just past through as it did not reoccur. He wasn't all that happy with it at that point but since he had to be out of town for 5 days to go to school he thought it was good enough for me to be test pilot. Picked it up that evening and never made it home. Very disappointing after waiting 30 years to get my first one and never having a successful point A-B run. Seemed like it just lost power again. Again it occurred about the time you would need to push the choke off. But this time it didn't seem to be running on just a couple of cylinders-- just like someone turned the car off. Towed it back to the garage rather than to my house. He was dismayed to see it back at the shop after his return. After querying me, he began the troubleshooting and he may have may solved this. I've heard the saying that on LBC its 95% electrical and 5% fuel (is that so?). Well you will have to decide which it is here. Seems the wiring to the fuel pump was bad. Would work fine, jiggle lose after running (particularly when it got hot) and then would break connection cut-off the fuel pump. Looked like some how several wires were cut just as the harness approached the fuse box including the one to the fuel pump. In addition to the fuel pump juice, the brake lights, side lights, and backup light did not work either. Don't know how they got cut. Moreover something ran hot in the fuse box as the bottom fuse holder looked a bit melted. A new fuse box was then installed. Wiring for the brake lights repaired but I will be the one trying to check out the other circuits. Looks like I will become an electrician as the mechanic notice lots of things that were weird little things regarding the wiring. But its running well now. The mechanic gave it a good run before giving it back to be sure it would get me home. In fact he guarenteed that the car would get me home (but not if it were the fault of an idiot driver-- that may include me). He was right. In fact my wife had her first ride in it tonight. Now that I have a car in the garage to serve as a model, I think the manuals will be easier to understand too..

I would like some advice though. Even though the header pipe is fixed and it is much quieter we still get a quite a bit of exhaust smell into the car. Any ideas where to look and how to look?

Got all winter to learn more about how the car is put together. Have learned some things about the history of the car (and its future) from the mechanic already (there is something that I would definitely like to take car of first-- some idiot took a shortcut when redoing the clutch-- didn't pull the engine, rather cut the cross member to get to it; I will need to find a welder to fix that; otherwise the body is in pretty good shape). The other thing is there is a new dashboard front in it. The PPO replaced all gauges except the oil pressure gauge and the heater/defrost blower controls--- go figure! I would like to get a oil pressure gauge in there next.

The list is long-----
Now that the car is running and I can put some miles on it, the weather is turning cold and wet. My luck. Hopefully there will be one or two nice travel days (last weekend was superb-- but that was LAST weekend).

Well thanks for all the advice. I will be soliciting for more for sure.

Cheers everyone,
Phil
 
Re: Update--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

Phil,

The proper washers are actually designed to compensate for the difference in height. Moss Motors has them. I would get a set (3 I think) and a new gasket. Your old one was probably damaged while it was loose.
You get these cars for the adventure...Yours just started early. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Safety Fast
and enjoy. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/driving.gif

Mike
 
Re: Update--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

The thickness of the intake and exhaust manifolds should be the same. There ARE different thickness manifolds but they are from different years. It sounds like your engine has a case of mix and match parts. Bob
 
Re: Update--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

Hi Phil! Please don't get discouraged, you may be over the worst of it!
I would like to suggest joining a local MG or British car club so you have some local support to supplement the resources of this board. It is often easier to diagnose a problem in person than by reading a description, even a good one.
Also, the enthusiasm of the other members will help you stay positive, and they may have cars you can compare with yours to see if things are correct or need fixing.
Lastly, these are simple cars, they were reliable daily transport 40 years ago and can be now.
Good Luck! Simon.
 
Re: Update--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

Simon,

I have joined a local group and they have been very supportive. I have already gotten good advice from them and I know I will continue to get help from them. I hope to be able to assist them in their repairs (even as a gopher) because I will definitely learn that way. I'm not discouraged at all. It's running now and I know that once I get through a complete maintanence run-through, I will have a baseline to work with. Spoke to other people who started out with cars in worse shape and took them years to bring them back to really nice shape. I figure with vigilance, I can too.
Thanks for the suggestion and support,
Phil
 
Re: Update--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

Phil - I really admire your patience. Believe me, you'll love driving (and working on) your car; maintenance is definitely a labor of love, and now that you've got it running, you get a little loving. Here in Connecticut I use the cool wet days for polishing screw heads and cleaning up the wiring.

Just out of curiosity, about how much did you drive it before you bought it, and what problems did the engine give you then?

Tom
 
Re: Update--1st MGB, 1st Ride, 1st Trouble

I had someone from the local LBC club look it over with me. The body was solid from his point of view. We then took it for a spin, maybe 2-3 miles tops. It didn't idle well but otherwise seemed okay. From this drive it was apparent that in the near future I will have to rebuild the front end. I waited about 10 days and meanwhile attended the Kansas City British Car show to see what might be there. Saw nothing I like better. When I got back I made an offer and it was accepted (in hindsight he took it too fast).

Well in driving it home (about 10miles) it died. Spitting on a couple cylinders. Got it home but if you look at the archive of this thread you have an idea of my saga. Basically, first we found that the intake manifold did not match the exhaust manifold in thickness so the stud bolts were bent and gasket was likely leaking. Mechanic set the carbs to baseline, gave it quick spin, and handed it back to me (plus we replaced the exhaust header). Well I didn't make it home again. Got it back to the shop and the short version is that wires leading to the fuel pump were lose and when the car heated up it broke connection and the car died. Got it back Tuesday and that night it ran good, the exception being I think we are being gased by exhaust fumes.

Well I have learned a lot in this short time. I also have a much better idea what to look for in the next car I would buy. Now that I know of a decent sports car garage, I would definitely take it there for a look see. Plus I would definitely drive it further. I also have a better idea of what to look for under the hood and I know better what parts would be missing too.

Ahh- learning can be painful.
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Our Club Members told me about a place for B parts

I do not have a B now, but my son does, and we are rebuilding it, hopefully for the final time over ten years. Anyway, my local club (Chattanooga Southern British CC) members who have B's told me of a place they get parts..NOT SPAM /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nonono.gif and I don't know any more than what they told me. But it is only web based,(no store) and he emails out Wednesday specials that my son (in Ky) gets, and he says the prices are competitive. We are redoing a 74 MGB that I first got him 12 years ago when he was a junior in HS. He is now 29. Got a B for the other son(now 32) when he was 16 ('77 rubber bumper) and he drove it through HS but totalled it on graduation day..he was OK, it wasn't.. That one (the '77) had some parts incorporated into this '74...The younger son loves cars, the older one drives a Hummer..go figure! If anyone is interested, the web site is https://bhive.tierranet.com/ No claims made but the Southern British B owners like it...Oh, we're having a British show at the Chattanooga Choo Choo hotel on Nov. 6..Y'all come! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/england.gif
 
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