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TR2/3/3A Transmission identification please.

John_Progess

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I am restoring a 1960 TR 3A and I have two transmissions. One is an overdrive tranny serial no. CT 22261 and the other is a non O.D. tranny serial no. CT 54531. From what I have read the CT designates a full syncro box and that is what they are. I want an O.D. tranny but is there any advantage in using one over the other if they are both in the same condition? Can I hook up the O.D. to either box providing I use the O.D. main shaft ? I have looked inside and both look very good but I have not disassembled either yet. The later serial number box has more gusseting on the case and the mounting flange is thicker. Thanks for your comments and have a good day!

John
 
From the CT numbers, I think that both might be from former TR4s. Therefore they would both be all synchro in all 4 gears. I would go with the Overdrive unit as it is presently connected to the gearbox. All you have to do is install it as it is right now. Why do all the teardown to put the O/D unit onto the non O/D box if you don't have to.
 
Are you sure that is a 'T' on the one with the heavier flange and ribs? Although they certainly beefed them up later on, I thought that didn't start until the TR5/TR250 introduction, when the prefix changed to 'CD'. I run an even later 'CC' prefix housing, which I chose to get the beefier casting.


If it is a "CT" prefix, then you should be able to move the OD without drama. I'd want to check the clearances and so on during the process (since you'll have it almost completely disassembled anyway); plus a pressure check on the OD before installing it in the car.

However, when I installed the OD onto my CC series box, I wound up having to use the complete gear set from an early box. I forget the arcane details, but the CC gearset wouldn't match with the CT mainshaft I had.

In my case, the starter drive had come apart while I was on a long drive. The loose drive components eventually got jammed and knocked a hole in the bellhousing; which started a crack that ran all around the flange, ruining the housing. I wanted the beefier housing as extra insurance against it happening again (although I've never had another starter drive come apart like that).

You probably know this, but JIC, there are some adjustments you'll need to make to fit the 4-synchro box. It's about 3/8" longer than the 3 synchro, so you need to slot the holes in the rear crossmember to move the mount back to match. I also had to bend down the flange on the back of the crossmember, to keep it from interfering with the mount. If you use the box with the thicker flange, you'll also need to use longer studs on the back of the engine, and modify the clutch slave slightly. I chose to keep the slave on the back of the flange and just make a shorter pushrod; but in retrospect it might have been better to pound the flywheel cover flat and move the slave mount to the front of the flange (on top of the cover).

It wasn't a problem on the 3A, but on my current TR3, I also had to enlarge the hole where the speedo cable attaches to the OD.

Make sure you get the right carrier and throw-out bearing to match whichever clutch you use. The CT54xxx box would be from a TR4A, which used the later setup.

I much prefer the TR3 shift lever; you may need to modify the top cover slightly to accept it. Or what I did was to take an early TR3 top cover and install the TR6 shift rods and forks into it, so I could keep the dipstick. But your car won't have the dipstick anyway, so it's probably easier to modify the later top cover.
 
Randall,
i have followed your comments on conversion or use of a TR6 overdrive tranny on a TR 3. Your current comment on which clutch to use has me confused about what I thought that I understood. Can I use the early clutch and throw out bearing with the later tranny as long as I match the flywheel with them?
How much modification is needed to be able to use the TR3 shift lever?
Charley
 
Your current comment on which clutch to use has me confused about what I thought that I understood. Can I use the early clutch and throw out bearing with the later tranny as long as I match the flywheel with them?
Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse the issue. Yes, either clutch will work with either tranny. The front cover got shorter for the later diaphragm clutch, but the shorter cover seems to work OK with the early clutch. The only issue there is that if you have a longer cover and the later diaphragm clutch, the cover needs to be shortened by about 3/8". Otherwise, the diaphragm will catch on the cover.
How much modification is needed to be able to use the TR3 shift lever?
Charley
I've kind of lost track of when it changed. Might be you don't have to do anything at all with a TR4 top cover. For the later ones, you have to drill out the two holes on the sides so the cross-bolt can go through.
 
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