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The seller says the thinks the car is worth more than other TRs. So, what do you guys think that other TRs **in the same condition** would bring? I don't think we're talking about the original-air-in-the-tires TR3 from a few weeks ago and this isn't a just finished frame-off restoration. This looks like a good driver, no rust, older repaint, various non-original-style items and showing some lack of attention to detail (like the horn button upside down). If this was a TR6 what do you think it would bring? What if it was a TR250 in that shape or a TR3?

Just curious to see a comparison of those values to the current bid...

Bryan
 
It all depends what you plan to do with it. If you want to make it the basis of a good driver (if there is such a thing with these cars), what is that worth to you? If you want to make it the basis of a full restoration, the same question applies.

No car is ever worth more than the buyer is willing to pay for it. To you, that may be $XX,XXX and to another it may be $XX,XXX plus or less.

These things are sold so infrequently that it's hard to set a baseline from what I've seen.

JMHO, others may agree or disagree.
 
Well, I guess I'm not being clear. I'm not asking what you would pay or what your buddy would pay. I'm asking what folks on the forum think other TRs (TR6, TR4, TR4a, TR3a, TR3b, etc.) in similar condition would sell for on eBay. Some folks follow what these cars sell for on eBay and I thought it would be interesting to compare those values to the current bid on the TR5.

TRs on eBay are not that infrequent. I see half a dozen TR6s a week on eBay. My take is that a TR6 in the same overall condition as the TR5 in question would sell for $7000 to $10,000 on eBay. I don't follow TR3s or TR4s but my guess is that they would go a few grand higher in the same condition.

So, if the TR5 goes for 20k+ then it is selling at a significant premium over other TRs in the same condition. The TR5 is not in the same shape as the TR3 from a few weeks ago and is not in the same shape as the recent TR250 so expecting a premium over those might not be reasonable.

Bryan
 
Bryan - I'm thinking that "other TRs in similar condition" is a very broad definition.

Maybe if you point out some comparison specifics and criteria on that TR5?

Thanks.
Tom
 
Hi There Folks,

I just took a peek at where its at. $23.1K & 4 days to go.

This TR5, In my opinion, is a driver #3 condition at best.

Avg. selling price for a #3 car is (Guessing):

TR2 = $15K - $20K
TR3 = $12K - $18K
TR3A= $12K - $18K
TR3B= $15K - $25K

TR4 = $9K - $12K
TR4A= $10K - $18K
TR4AIRS= $12K - $18K
TR250 = $15K - $25K
TR5 = $22K - $30K (My Guess)
TR6 = $12K - $16K

These are just my "Humble" estimates in watching ebay sales.

I only wish I kept ea. of these as I had ea. one these at one time or another with the exception of the TR2 / TR5.

Have Fun;

Regards, Russ
 
Well, we know what top dollar on ebay is for a TR3, and TR250, and most likely a driver TR5. However, what is it for a top TR4 or TR6, in the mid 20's for a TR4, and around 20 for a TR6?
 
Hi There SearcherMan,

Again; In my opinion only; I tend to agree with you.

A really nice TR4A-IRS should be selling in the $20K+ bracket. I had a `66 TR4A-IRS just 8mo. ago or so & a real sweet one I may add. I had it posted here for $18K & no bites! Stuck it on ebay & some lucky devil got it for $16K. It was well documented as well. I`d pay more for a "TR4A" than a "TR4". Personally, I like the side marker lights. Looks really cool at night & really nostalgic during daylight hours. [censored]; I`m sorry I sold mine!!

As for a TR6: Well, I would only be int. in the ones up to 1973 before the huge rubber re-bound bumpers (Nothing personal folks). There`s a pretty nice one on ebay right now (`73 Red One) & Its buy it now price is $19,999; Zero Bids! Of course, the "Overdrive" option is an item that I would be willing to pay a few more cents for. Approx. 2yrs ago; I had a `72 Sienna Brown / Black Int. with Overdrive in Exc. Cond. I pd. $8K for it & sold it for $12K a year later. [censored], I`m sorry I sold this one also!!

You may find this interesting? The prices of LBCs in "Hemmings" seem to be higher than that of "Ebay", pretty much straight across the board. Why ???????????

Well; Thats about it from me. Hope this may have been of some interest & possible help for yourself.

Regards,

Russ
 
Well, a few weeks ago, I could have gotten a little over 20K for my TR6, which, translated, means I would have only lost about 10k, not including my labor. I turned it down. That said, I am bout finished my research, and decided to turn mine in to a sports car. What this means, I spoke to Prestige Injection this am. I am convinced that I should have done what I knew I should have done, and used the CP camshaft, or talked to the Brits first. Also, I should have had the larger valves installed in the cylinder head, and raised compression another .5, and maybe did a little porting. I know all about the Webers, 3 ZS's, 2 SU's, etc. But, it comes down to PI, old or new. Now, that said, I think it would devalue my car to put any thing other that Lucas PI, with modifications, and if it doesn't work out, then use the Lucas parts to convert to Electronics. I believe that the cars with the 5 speed trans, Infiniti diffs, and whatever will not bring in the bucks if I do decide to sell, and get a EJag. But, they may be better drivers, maybe. And, all I need is 150 HP. And, don't believe it, you can't get any power out of 2 ZS's, no matter what you do, however, they are ok for a stock driver.
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]Now, that said, I think it would devalue my car to put any thing other that Lucas PI, with modifications[/QUOTE]

Your TR6. That you were offered 20k for.
You think putting the original Lucas Injection on a TR6 is going to <span style="font-style: italic">add</span> value to it?

:snigger:
 
A friend sold his 73 TR6 last year for $22K to someone in Arizona. The car was very nice, had a few added bling items (extra lights on the dash, aftermarket steering wheel, cheap mags, etc.) but had some substantially overlooked items such as original heater that didn't work, some patchwork on the harness. It was painted re-sale red and was essentially (not perfectly) rust free. There is a customer born every day. Someone had 22 big ones and wanted a nice TR6 bad.
 
I wasn't commenting on the fact that he'd been offered 20k for it. I can well believe that.

It was the suggestion that adding Lucas fuel injection would <span style="font-style: italic">add</span> value to what has to be a good car already. That was what I found funny.

Now if he converts it to RHD and puts it on a ship, maybe...
 
alana said:
I wasn't commenting on the fact that he'd been offered 20k for it. I can well believe that.

It was the suggestion that adding Lucas fuel injection would <span style="font-style: italic">add</span> value to what has to be a good car already. That was what I found funny.

Now if he converts it to RHD and puts it on a ship, maybe...
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I agree with you Alan. I was injecting a true story of a TR6 that sold for a very good price.
 
Well, I'm not bragging, and it depends on what you want. However, there are thousands of PI cars in GB, and just ask them about PI, they are not switching to carbs,or anything else for the most part. Also, I have watched ebay for years, the cars that are the most original always, always, bring the big bucks. You take the smog off, ok, you lost money, and not just a little. The problem with Lucas PI is virtually no one overhere can work one it. Anyhow, that's how I see it. Also, they have Rick Patton dyno test on You Tube, I can't run it, slow dial up. I read in 6pack, 190 HP at flywheel, I hope this is a mistake, and they meant rear wheel. I am not taking anything awaw from his car, but, thats a lot of work for like 30 HP more than a slightly modified CP car. And, before you say it, I have seen dyno tests of CP cars, no, its not 150 BHP, it's a 140+, and with a little more cam, ported head, it turns into over 150, maybe 160, depends on how far you want to go.
 
I got over 160hp flywheel on (triple) ZS carbs on mine. Switched to fuel injection and got...

Almost exactly the same.

The difference is that it starts first time, every time, and the car doesn't go lean or rich, no matter what I do with the loud pedal.

It's not the FI that makes the power, it's the whole system.

If you want to keep the value of the vehicle do easily reversible changes.

Triple carbs and a cam or a Vespertino type supercharger fit the bill. Both can be taken back to look stock in a couple of hours, so you preserve the perceived value.
 
I just picked up a 4 cylinder, 2.0, 5 speed Jetta that's definitely quicker than my TR6 and cruises at 80 MPH like it was floating on air. Too bad they didn't let the Germans design the TR6 motor and suspension too.
 
Yea, isn't it amazing what 40 years of advancing technology, modern fuel injection, engine management and a well designed turbo system can do for a car... :rolleyes:

apples and oranges, apples and oranges...
 
SearcherMan,

You turned down $20K and would have "ONLY" been out $10K????

Your going to turn it into a "Sports Car"! What is it now??

You must have one "OUTSTANDING" TR6!!

I feel you may have missed the boat here Sir by not accepting that offer?

What the heck does your TR6 look like? Please post a pic.

What year is it? Please post a pic.

Please post a pic for all of us to see.

Thanx, Russ
 
Spent a half hr. trying to get a pic here, go to my post, look at the post on 4/1/08, 1:45 pm. Anyone who thinks thay can buy a car and restore it to this level, do all the work yourself, except paint, for less than 30k is mistaken. I will post other pics as soon as I figure out how, wrong size, wrong format. You can put all the Infinity and Toyota parts on a TR6 you want, put 6 carbs. on it,you will never hit anywhere near 20k after you do this, it may drive better,but, the people with the money want original, just watch ebay and other places. Put carbs on a TR5 and see what you can get for it. PS, 2 people were willing to talk over 20k, I wanted to talk mid 20s. I have had 6 MGBs, 4 TR6's, 1 Triumph Trident M/C, 2 Nortons, With the stock 1976 set up, there is not much sporty about driving one, a Miata is over 3 seconds faster 0-60.
 
TheSearcherMan said:
And, don't believe it, you can't get any power out of 2 ZS's, no matter what you do, however, they are ok for a stock driver.
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And from 12/29/2007....

TheSearcherMan said:
This is why I don't think the TR6 intake is restrictive. in Kasners Trimph Comp. Prep Manual, the graph on page 11, full competition engine, using stock manifold, makes over 170 HP with ZS carbs. Now, if I know the ZS carbs on my Triumph will flow the right amount of fuel, and the plugs look good, then I must have the right amount of air also. I have also been told that the stock set up is not short on air, by, well just about everyone I have talked to.
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So, what changed your mind?
 
About 100 hrs. bent over the carbs, that will do it. He also used earlier intake, and modified SU needles to get them to work in ZS's, I think, I ain't doing that. The problem may be lack of fuel above 4k, to find out, I would have to buy an A/F meter, at least to do it right. Plug cuts are for someone who is not color blind. I was also told by a well know Triumph person, who stands to gain by telling me, "the Stock set up will flow more than enough air", but they want to sell me their product. Another thing came to mind, he got that HP, but is the car driveable on the street? Will it Idle? Good Catch
 
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