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TheSearcherMan

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You know it's his car, and his ad, he paid for both. He can say what he wants and ask what he wants for the car. I doubt if there is anyone in here, me included, who doesn't think their car is worth more than it is. What we have here is what I call a classic case of back stabbing, you people would rather talk behind someones back, and you don't have the balls to tell someone what you think to their face. I do. And, you are classic car hippocrits.
 
Said from a man (I'm guessing from your alias) who feels free to express his opinion without identifying himself beyond an anonymous alias. Ahh! 'The bravery of being out of range'.

I know not everyone feels comfortable posting their real names on Internet sites/forums etc... and I don't have a problem with that. But stating that others here "don't have the balls to tell someone what you think to their face", then stating that they do, while 'hiding behind anonymity' themselves reeks of something about a kettle and a pot.

IMHO

It also invites the possibility of ignoring you as a poster. Again, IMHO.

My grandmother used to tell me that if I didn't have anything nice, or constructive, to say then it was best not to say anything. Sometimes it is very hard to follow that very sage advice. She also told me that there was nothing common about common sense. Something else that I have found to be very profoundly accurate.
 
<span style="font-style: italic">You know it's his car, and his ad, he paid for both. He can say what he wants and ask what he wants for the car. I doubt if there is anyone in here, me included, who doesn't think their car is worth more than it is. What we have here is what I call a classic case of back stabbing, you people would rather talk behind someones back, and you don't have the balls to tell someone what you think to their face. I do. And, you are classic car hippocrits.</span>


So, you think it's acceptable for this guy to tell the world he's a highly knowledgeable TR enthusiast, then behave like a horrid, spoiled child? His sales ad is awful and mean-spirited. And, he humiliated at least one questioner on eBay with a condescending, arrogant reply.

That guy, if we are to believe his postings on eBay, is a real player in the LBC world. He's allegedly a "VTR (Vintage Triumph Register) Consultant" and Board member! He knows these cars, inside and out.

If this is true, and even if it isn't, then to post arrogant, condescending tripe as he has on eBay and to publicly humiliate people who may have good-faith questions about the car and the marque, is <span style="text-decoration: underline">unacceptable</span>.

Further, such boorish behavior from a knowledgeable TR enthusiast makes us all look bad to the public, like snobs or worse. Remember: this guy is a VTR Board Member. He represents all lovers of the marque, like it or not. You and me.

Selling isn't easy, and people can be difficult. But, when we sell our LBCs on eBay or anywhere else, we owe the buying public <span style="font-style: italic">some degree of professionalism </span>and respect, even when we deem questions "dumb" or superfluous.

I hope he apologizes, that would help.
 
I'd love to know what you are talking about!
 
Ah, right. So "The Searcher Man" doesn't think we should be discussing it? I don't think anyone was saying anything unreasonable. Maybe he is the seller hiding behind a pseudonym!
 
I'll post this here as well as the previous thread, so there's no mistaking who am I and what I'm saying.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]"The owner of this car (me) is Vehicle Consultant and Board Member for the organization Vintage Triumph Register www.vtr.org ... I have owned six TR250s and 2 TR5 PIs. I have been involved in the importation and have consulted on the sales process for six TR5 PI transactions."[/QUOTE]

If he (the mystery man) is all that, why in the world is he selling such a valuable collectors item on eBay? With his credentials, he should be dealing with high rolling collectors all over the world, who would know the worth and values of such an automobile and who would gladly pay his asking price.

Most fine art is never traded or sold on the open market, but in closed deals, not subject to public scrutiny. And that's exactly the way that the buyers and sellers of really high end items want it.

It's kind of like the old expression, "If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it." In this case, if you have to keep telling everyone what it's worth, maybe it really isn't.
 
No, I don't have any problem with his ad, it's his business, not mine, doesn't bother me one bit, in fact, I hope he gets what he wants. Also, he has just as much right to sell on ebay as anyone else. However, I would have done it differently. The point is, if you are so concerned about it, why don't you e mail him and tell him your feelings? I would expect you could fine his e mail address at the VTR site, under TR5 consultant, however, I am not sure about that.
 
TheSearcherMan said:
No, I don't have any problem with his ad, it's his business, not mine, doesn't bother me one bit, in fact, I hope he gets what he wants. Also, he has just as much right to sell on ebay as anyone else. However, I would have done it differently. The point is, if you are so concerned about it, why don't you e mail him and tell him your feelings? I would expect you could fine his e mail address at the VTR site, under TR5 consultant, however, I am not sure about that.
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I will not E-mail the guy with my personal opinions, Searcherman, because it would be rude to do so. When folks such as the TR-5 seller post crude comments on a world-wide venue like eBay, criticism is inevitable. But that does not give us license to directly confront the guy with our opinions.

This is a discussion board for Triumph-related issues. As such, discussing the TR-5 eBay ad would seem a perfectly normal thing for humans to do on a web site that's dedicated to LBCs. It's an important Triumph-related issue, this is a Triumph website, and the guy is a VTR Board member: sure, we're gonna talk about <span style="font-style: italic">every aspect </span>of this ad!

And most importantly, for example, no one in this tread has labeled him a "hippocrit". That, of course, may be considered both rude <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> inconsiderate.

That's my tuppence worth on the topic.

I'll go back to my hole now . . . :whistle:
 
BUMP!!!

If he (the mystery man) is all that, why in the world is he selling such a valuable collectors item on eBay? With his credentials, he should be dealing with high rolling collectors all over the world, who would know the worth and values of such an automobile and who would gladly pay his asking price.
 
Brosky said:
I'll post this here as well as the previous thread, so there's no mistaking who am I and what I'm saying.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]"The owner of this car (me) is Vehicle Consultant and Board Member for the organization Vintage Triumph Register www.vtr.org ... I have owned six TR250s and 2 TR5 PIs. I have been involved in the importation and have consulted on the sales process for six TR5 PI transactions."
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If he (the mystery man) is all that...[/QUOTE]Just for the record, the seller definitely IS VTR's vehicle consultant for the TR5.
 
Andrew Mace said:
Brosky said:
I'll post this here as well as the previous thread, so there's no mistaking who am I and what I'm saying.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]"The owner of this car (me) is Vehicle Consultant and Board Member for the organization Vintage Triumph Register www.vtr.org ... I have owned six TR250s and 2 TR5 PIs. I have been involved in the importation and have consulted on the sales process for six TR5 PI transactions."
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If he (the mystery man) is all that...
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Just for the record, the seller definitely IS VTR's vehicle consultant for the TR5. [/QUOTE]

Sadly, Not very good PR for the VTR.

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No, not very good at all, Stirkle.

Something seems wrong with this picture. I've talked to many people from that organization and no one ever came across like this individual.

Very strange indeed.....
 
Not sure about the individual, but as a sales forum the VTR has slowed down - most likely due to ebay. I bought my 4 a few years ago through VTR and used to track cars there - typically 60-70 cars listed. Now you are lucky to see 30 or so. I don't think thats VTRs fault, its just that ebay is a pretty powerful force.
 
TR4nut said:
Not sure about the individual, but as a sales forum the VTR has slowed down - most likely due to ebay. I bought my 4 a few years ago through VTR and used to track cars there - typically 60-70 cars listed. Now you are lucky to see 30 or so. I don't think thats VTRs fault, its just that ebay is a pretty powerful force.
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No doubt about eBay being powerful. When every sitcom and late night talk show host constantly makes jokes about something like, for example, eBay, you just KNOW that it's become iconic and that it's here to stay.

I think the VTR Classifieds are still holding their own, although it does seem in recent weeks that the number of cars listed for sale is down quite a bit. Why more folks don't use that FREE advertising is beyond me, since they're FREE (did I mention that?) and they're very widely viewed (have been for many years). And they're available to all, not just VTR members.

Of course, a number of people put ads on the VTR Classifieds, said ads saying little beyond "check my ad on eBay"! :smile:
 
One has to believe the owner is reading these threads. It just seems like common sense that if you're going to ask for 'grown up money' as it was put, you can't present the car with an aftermarket steering wheel .... with the center badge/horn press plopped on the wrong way up. And people want to see the trunk/boot detailed correctly. Neither of those things would take significant effort or money (on the scale of things), but they detract from an impression of care and attention to detail.

How come no one is touching the TR250 that is at $36.9k??!!

Pete
 
Hi Folks,

"WOW"; He really is the "VTRs" consultant!!!! :shocked:

Man, I just don`t understand why the car has`nt been sold via the "VTR" website??????? :confuse:

One would think, There are quite a few collectors with $$$ out there who would die to have this car; "IF IT IN FACT IS IN THE DESCRIBED CONDITION"???????? :spam:

I can only guess that there are VTR members out there who know the gent & his car! Maybe, Thats why its "NOT" selling!!

I had a very early `61 E-Type Rdstr. that I posted on "XKE data.com". I rec`d. inquires, offers etc etc from around the world & ultimately sold to a gent in Rome, Italy (Sorry to say). The moral to this story is; If its as good as described; It should have sold to at least a "VTR" member in a matter of moments!!

Hey; Is this "Gent" on this forum & hopefully reading all about his ad on ebay regarding "Etique"?????? :lol:

Some passing (Non Hippocritical) thoughts,

Regards, Russ

PS: I just noticed that this is my "999" post. I`m going to play those numbers today!!
 
Me thinks this guy forgot the first rule of marketing - don't start by insulting all your potential customers. Really starts you off on the wrong foot if you call a buyer an idiot right off the bat. Seller seems well balanced though - a chip on each sholder...

As for the car - looks kind of average from the pics (which as others point out are pretty poor). And I for one would not have included the oil stains on the driveway in the photos (I mean, we all know they leak a bit, but no need to advertize the fact!).

And as for what the car is worth - only as much as someone is willing to pay for it. That's how markets work.

Truth be told, the mechanical PI system was a pain. A bugger to tune properly, suseptable to vapor locks in the fuel pump on a hot day and high-pressure fuel in plastic pipes is never the best idea. As for horse power, a TR250 with the same compression and cam, and triple ZSs, or even better, triple Webbers will get close to the same HP with less hassle. In fact a lot of PI sedans got converted to TCs in the day.
 
She sits at $21.1K and 5-1/2 days to go.

I believe 7 bidders?

Good Luck,

Russ
 
I should probably stay out of this one, but:
imho, The first part of the searcher person's original message is correct enough. The later part about "behind someones back" isn't correct.
This IS a public forum. A very well known one at that. What is said here is presented to the whole world.
As for the evilbay ad; Price paid reflects salesmanship inferred. Hey, it's his car!
 
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