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TR2/3/3A TR3A Bumper Mounts

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rlandrum

rlandrum

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It looks like Moss no longer carries the TR3A bumper mounts. These are the bulky 1 piece units.

I was wondering if anyone (Twosheds?) had a set, as ebay has come up bust and Triumph Rescue is sometimes difficult to reach. :smile:

I need both the right and left sides.
 
I think so. They might be bent, though!

I'll look in the Lab.
 
Sorry, Rob, I couldn't find any bumper brackets.
 
If you are still searching in a couple of weeks, pm me. I may have a spare set, but they are on the car right now and I'm about to travel for a while. You are looking for the big bumper to frame mounts, right?

Randy
 
Rob,
I had a hard time finding these for my car as well. I ended up buying a complete (torched in half) front frame assembly from a guy in Michigan because they were still on it. (It also had a good steering box.) The entire front end had to be picked up, so nobody else bid on it. It would have been a steal at $20, if not for the drive. I managed to visit some family and pick up the parts. Anyway, at some point prior to that, I managed to get a left side, unbent, but the welded nut is wallered out. -I'm assuming you are talking about what Moss calls "Bumper bracket", not the "Support spring". -TRF had springs on sale last week and I got a set.

I wish I was as far along on my project as you guys are on yours. Mine hasn't been touched in months.

Let me know if you need my left one. <- PLEASE EXCUSE THE WAY THAT SOUNDS!
Jer
 
I hope you see two pictures here... The left bracket has a small dog-legged bracket attached. The bottom bolt goes through a washer, through the bumper bracket, through a spacer, and through the frame into the radiator protector/cross member and the top bolt goes through frame and the steering box.... I think. I wish I'd have thought of this sooner, I would have included the spacer and bracket when I shipped them. I don't know how important the bracket is, but thought I'd point it out anyway.
 
Hmm... I'm not sure that's factory. I don't see it in the moss catalog.

No worries. I can fab something up. I'm probably going to blast the ones you sent me, cut them, grind them, and re-weld some 1/4 inch stock in place to see if I can repair them.
 
Believe it or not, the Moss catalog is NOT always an authority on how the cars were assembled
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The bracket and spacer were introduced fairly early but apparently after the parts catalog illustrations were drawn. From that, I would deduce that there was a particular problem the factory felt they had to solve, so I wouldn't want to leave them out and learn the hard way what that problem was. But if I had to guess, it would be something like long-term vibration causing the frame brackets for the steering box to eventually crack and fail.

Stanpart # for the bracket (on a 3A/B) is 118444; spacer is 118445, but TRF says they are both NLS.
 
BTW, if you look at the description for Moss 322-475, it mentions the stiffener and spacer.
 
If you read the steering box removal/replacement procedure, in the Complete Official TR2/3 Repair Manual, the stiffener on the steering box side is mentioned, though there is no good picture. It sure looks superfluous to me, but I put it back where it came from, on my reassembly.
 
I assumed my parts cataloge was for a slightly older model. My Bently barely mentions it. My 'Service Instruction Manual' (part no 502606) 3rd edition with 'property of... 1956' written in pencil on the bound cover, pg 20, says: under "steering column bracing"... "An additional support bracket, clamped to the steering column by two nuts and bolts and to the front suspension unit by a third nut and bolt, was introduced at Commission No. TS. 5777. This bracket is situated between the front suspension unit and the steering box."

Since the car I got had the bracket, and my 'chopped off front end' had exactly the same set-up, I figured the cars came that way. It seems to me the bolt is one with the spacer, but it could be rusted on both parts I have. The bolt, washer, bracket and spacer all turn together. I might be able to free them, but see no point in it.

In any case, another envolope with the bolts, spacer and bracket will be on its way to you tomorrow. Use them as you see fit. One complete set is enough for me, and knowing someone else needed these salvaged parts makes me feel the trip to Michigan was worth it.

Isn't this a great forum?
Jer

PS I suppose you noticed my description of assembly was not in agreement with the picture. Sometimes a picture is worth more than a thousand words.
 
TexasKnucklehead said:
PS I suppose you noticed my description of assembly was not in agreement with the picture. Sometimes a picture is worth more than a thousand words.
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Actually, I was going to compliment you on those shots. Already socked away on my hard drive for future reference.

I think it would be a worthy project at some point if we could cobble together all these greasy, skinned knuckle closeups of our cars on the web for restorers references. Very useful shots, and very difficult sometimes to search for.

Randy
 
TexasKnucklehead said:
My 'Service Instruction Manual' (part no 502606) 3rd edition with 'property of... 1956' written in pencil on the bound cover, pg 20, says: under "steering column bracing"... "An additional support bracket, clamped to the steering column by two nuts and bolts and to the front suspension unit by a third nut and bolt, was introduced at Commission No. TS. 5777. This bracket is situated between the front suspension unit and the steering box."
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Not that it makes any difference, but I think that they are referring to a different bracket from the one you photographed.

I think they mean the one that clamps around the column farther towards the steering wheel.

TexasKnucklehead said:
Isn't this a great forum?
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Yes, indeed.
 
TR4nut said:
Actually, I was going to compliment you on those shots. Already socked away on my hard drive for future reference.

I think it would be a worthy project at some point if we could cobble together all these greasy, skinned knuckle closeups of our cars on the web for restorers references. Very useful shots, and very difficult sometimes to search for.
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Agreed... In fact my Father had the idea of having a group of TR2-3B owners all take the same exact set of photographs of their cars so that you could see the differences in design, side-by-side.
 
Twosheds said:
Not that it makes any difference, but I think that they are referring to a different bracket from the one you photographed.

I think they mean the one that clamps around the column farther towards the steering wheel.
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TR3driver said:
Believe it or not, the Moss catalog is NOT always an authority on how the cars were assembled
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No... But most of the illustrations are taken from the TR3 Spare Parts Catalogue or the Service Manual.

I have both, but not at work. I do keep a Moss catalogue at work. :smile: It's like a little mini version of those other two resources.
 
rlandrum said:
No... But most of the illustrations are taken from the TR3 Spare Parts Catalogue or the Service Manual.
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I agree, and it's a very useful reference. But even the SPC doesn't illustrate ALL the parts, nor even list some that were only on later cars. And there are at least a few cases of parts shown in the SPC that the factory didn't actually install, like the washers on the dome-headed bolts for the rear fenders.
 
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