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Are the TR250 sidelights on the front fenders "running lights" only or are they "running lights" and turn signal flashers.

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TRdoc
 
Just running lights on my 250
The round amber lens located next to the head lamps are the traficators
 
On my car the front of the sidelight is a running light or parking lamp that turns on in the first click of the light switch, and stays on when you go to the second click for the headlights, the side of the sidmarkers blink with the turn signals in the grill, I wired it up last fall per the factory wiring diagram, so pretty sure that is correct.

Edit: Or not, went back and looked at it the wiring diagram, and maybe it is just a parking light. I had the turn signal colored wires coming out of my sidelight, but now I am not sure. Will have to do some further checking

Greg
 
Greg,

That is what I thought the lights should be. However, I have been getting conflicting statements. Some have said that both the small and large light are running lights and only the large ones on the grille are trafficators.
I hope more 250 owners chime in to settle the issue.

Boyd
 
The Piggot book (Original Triumph TR4-6) says "The TR4a/5/250 had the type 658 front sidelight combined with with a flasher repeater unit (type 771) in a chromed moulding at the front of each wing"

But the factory wiring diagram seems to show one front turn signal light (on each side) (presumably the ones in the grill) and one sidemarker and one parking light (for each side), both from the same "red wire tree" idicating presumably that both of the lights in the chrome sidelight are on the parking circuit.

????????

I had a very unmolested TR250 for a brief time a few years ago, could have checked that then, too late now.
 
I am currently doing Dan Masters powerblock in my Tr250 resto. That is what started all of this.
If you read the powerblock wiring diagram it shows the sidelights split up into flashers and running lights. This is contrary to the original schematics on Dans website.

.???

Go figure. What is correct

Boyd
 
If you look at the TR4a stock schematic on Dan Masters website it shows the sidelights split into parking and flasher lights.
Did this change on the TR 250?

Boyd
 
Boyd, that is what I am starting to think I have a number of (very pitted) sidelights some have one green and one red wire some have two red wires It looks like the ones I think came on the car have two red wires for the park light circuit.
 
I have e-mailed Dan Masters to help clear up this discrepancy.

Boyd
 
Boyd,
Please keep this thread alive as I would like to keep my 250 in line as well.
 
Not absolutely conclusive, but the TR250 (factory) Spare Parts Catalogue describes the unit as "Font Side/Marker Lamp Assembly (Amber & Amber)"; there is no indication of "repeater" anywhere in the description. Same goes for the "Rear Side Marker Lamp (Red Lens)"; again, no mention of "repeater anywhere.

My Triumph TR6/TR250/TR5 Repair Operation Manual doesn't really help. There is a wiring diagram labeled TR5 Left-Hand Steering and TR250, and that does seem to indicate "Flasher repeater lamps" were used. But I wonder if this particular diagram truly represents the US-spec. model.

Does anyone have an original TR250 Owners Manual? That might be interesting in how the wiring diagram is labeled.
 
Dan didn't always follow the set schematics. He figured if you were going to the trouble of installing an updated panel you would want things better and updated.
So if you where looking to have it stock. Not always a choice with his panels
 
In the TR4A owner manual, they are called repeater lamps and the schematic does show them wired in with the "Direction Indicator" lamps. I would think that the TR250 would be the same.

Scott
 
DNK said:
Dan didn't always follow the set schematics.
Click to expand...
Dan did two different sets of schematics, the "stock" schematics are generally recognized as being the most accurate ones in existence (even more so than the factory diagrams). His "power block" schematics are entirely different.

Since both Dan's TR250 schematic, and the factory TR250 schematic fail to show extra filaments for the turn signals; I'm confident that the side lights were originally only side lights, not repeater lights. However, making them also function as repeater lights seems like a good modification, so entirely in character with installing Dan's wiring harness/panel, IMO. You'll note that the power block schematic is clearly marked "typical", meaning it is not strictly correct for all models.

Don't have a copy of the standalone TR250 owner's handbook; but the "combination" handbook in the front of the TR250/6 Bentley has them clearly labeled as "marker lights" in both the bulb list and the section on bulb replacement.
 
I e-mailed Dan Masters last night. Below is his response. I will follow his advice. That is certainly good enough for me. I wish some concours people would chime in.
The TR250 should be the same as the TR4A. The large lens on the sidelight is a Trafficator.

Boyd


<span style="font-weight: bold">Hi, Boyd,

I guess I screwed up on the stock diagrams. The 250 does have flasher repeaters in the side lights. I'll have to fix the stock diagrams.

Regards,

Dan </span>
 
I think I am beginning to do an about face on this, I think both the lights in the 250 chrome side housing are sidelights/parking lamps. I think the 4A had flashers on the side, I think with the federal legislation effecitive January 1, 1968 the side flasher was converted to a side light on the 250, the federal legislation required lights or reflectors on the sides, red in back, amber in front to make the car visable and indicate the direction of travel on cars sold new in the usa.

This is consistent with the period wiring diagrams I can see for the car as best I can read them and consistent with the two red wires coming out of the believed to be original side flasher on my 250. As I mentioned earlier I have other side flashers with one red and one green and xxxx wire (ignoring the black ground wire which doesn't add to the discussion here)

That being said I wired mine to flash, and I guess just to muddy the waters I have the original equimpment flasher, and with just the fronts in the grill and rears wired I get a very fast flash, when I wire up the sidelights into the mix the flash is the slow and steady I equate with working right under the proper load, so who knows??
 
Glemon,
I tend to agree with you. The vast majority of 250 owners I have heard from have all the sidelights as being running lights. I agree with the1968 legislation . Maybe the TR5 was like the TR4A. That may be the difference.

Boyd
 
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