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Top Ten Combat Rifles!

Bret

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Top Ten Combat Rifles” according to the Military channel.

"Top Ten" is a great program found on the Military Channel (I love digitial cable ) that evaluates & rates military hardware: Tanks, Warships and Aircraft.

This episode was focused on the Infantrymen's best friend – the Combat Rifle. Granted some will argue that there are far better weapons than those that appeared on the list. But keep in mind we’re talking about weapons that were more than the sum of their parts. Weapons that saw world wide impact, long service life or in some manor of fashion impacted world events. Also rated are the weapon's based on their impact to the foot soldiers.

Now after reviewing the list - before anybody gets their panties in a bunch or wonders why some personal favorite didn’t make the list remember two things this isn’t my list (I’ll supply my picks later) and it was the strict criteria based the program uses when rating everything from bombers to hand grenades.

Now the list

1. AK47 (various variants) Great weapon millions made and saw throughout the world. I personally thought they where a bit cheaply made but you got to hand it to Kalashnikov he really knew how to make a tool.

2. M-16; I didn’t like the M-16A1 that I was issued in the Corps. Always considered it something that Mattel Toys could have made. But despite some earlier problems that cost many a Solider & Marines lives the weapons basic design marches on.

3. Lee-Enfield SMLE; Great weapon! Fastest bolt action in the world! Rugged, reliable and saw service throughout the globe protecting the Empire that the sun never set on.

4. M1 Garand; An iconic weapon that typified the idea of the semiautomatic combat rifle.

5. FN FAL; Not a huge fan of the Fabrique National but with it’s 7.62x51 round I wouldn’t want anybody wishing me harm to have one.

6. Mauser M98; Another Iconic Combat Rifle! Americans Solider’s first had to face the basic Mauser design in the Spanish American war and saw service in two World Wars and is still the basic design used in most hunting & military sniper rifles to this day. Can you tell I like Mausers!

7. Steyr AUG; Not a huge fan of this futuristic rifle. Made the early M16’s look down right masculine in my view. But it was revolutionarily in its design but I still don’t understand why it’s on this list.

8. 1903 Springfield; Another Great weapon! Based on a Mauser design like most GOOD bolt action rifles. This weapon has a special place in the hearts of every Marine and served them well as their standard rifle from Belleau Woods in WWI to Guadalcanal in WWII. Heck it was such an accurate firearm that it continued to see service as a sniper rifle even after the M1 Grand replaced it as the standard infantry weapon.

9. Sturmgewehr 44;.The Grand daddy of all modern Assault rifles.

10. M14; Yet another weapon I’ve got a soft place in my heart for. Accurate and packed a heck of a punch. Given a choice I think I’d pick the M14 as my first weapon of choice.

While I won’t write another personal top ten I will list some Combat Rifles I felt should have made the list.

Mosin Nagant 1891/30; Produced from 1891 through 1965 this rifle gained a reputation as a formidable service rifle and served the Soviets well in the great patriotic war. While some think it was kind of heavy, adopted as a sniper rifle with it’s 7.62x54mm cartridge (although somewhat dated) it was deadly accurate.

SKS; More of a carbine really but like the AK above - I’ve always admired this rifle because of it’s simple design and ease of use. Served many of Americas enemies the world over.

So what are your thoughts? Did your favortes make the list?
 
Bret said:
So what are your thoughts? Did your favortes make the list?

Nope. It probably doesn't deserve a "top 10" rating but I'd like to see the M1 Carbine there just 'cause I like it. Nice feel, easy to clean, and (IMHO) only let down by its cartridge . It can even be accurate if you invest in a reloader and use a light bullet.
 
bret, i watch the military channel all the time grate show, im not of military back round so although ive seen most or all of the top ten pieces mentioned i havent fired any of them, my personal favorite is my own winchester model 70 custom deluxe with 3.5-9 leupold scope at 200 yards i can consistently hit the center patch of a small band aid,i know guys that can do better then that with just iron sights on one of these, my older brother is a "jar head" and recommended this rifle said snippers used em in nam. now i know why. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/savewave.gif
 
Hey I like the M1 Carbine too, but it's not really a true rifle. .30 cal pistol round that IMHO makes it really more of a personal defensive weapon and best left for close quarters fighting.

My dad had one and always used to joke about how “optimistic” the 300 yard graduating sights were. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
 
My choice for #1 thru 9 would be:
"4. M1 Garand; An iconic weapon that typified the idea of the semiautomatic combat rifle. "

#10: M16.

No Klink on my list. Just hearin' one of the durn things fire is enuff to stand th' hair up on the back of my neck.
 
I always liked the the HK G3 and its semi auto brother the HK 91. I would also have to think that the Japanese Arisaka should be on the list espesicially the Type 38 6.5 mm. In tests carried out after WWII by P.O. Ackley it was declared the strongest action ever made.

Regards John
 
By the time I entered the Corps, the M-16A2 was the standard rifle. While I didn't like cleaning the durn thing, it was deadly accurate at 200 meters. During Rifle Qualifications (iron sights only!), I could put all my rounds into such a tight group that a 3" spotter would cover all of the shots made during the '200 meter rapid fire' segment (which consisted of fire 5 rounds, change magazines and fire 5 more). From 500 meters, the accuracy was still spot on, my groupings weren't ever quite as tight, but it was easy to hit the 5" spotter repeatedly.

I've never fired any of the older M-16 variants, but I know the A2 is a darn good weapon. Just keep the dirt out of the bolt housing group and chamber (I know: easier said than done) and yer good to go.
 
Rob, The M16A2 was a much nicer weapon that the A1 I was issued and light years ahead of the early variants. You (& I to a lesser extent) benefited greatly from the early trials & tribulations of the Eugene Stoner design.
 
I'll add, the Sten Gun.

Cheap, elegantly simple (less than 50 parts) and lightweight.
When the Brits needed to quickly ramp up production of weapons during WW II, the simple design of the Sten was a real asset. Sort of a "disposable" machine gun.

Somewhat ugly ("The Plumber's Nightmare") and not popular with all due to only a 9 mm round, but a very important weapon in WW II.
Very popular with the Norwegian and Polish underground.

(I'm all not that interested in weapons, but as a manufacturing engineer, the Sten is famous for it's "manufacturability")

And I'll add, the Charleville Musket. Without these, we Americans might all be driving on the other side of the road. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
 
I started with the M16A1 and ended up with an A2. I like the A2, and as a left hand shooter- I liked the fact that I didn't need the cheesy brass deflector.

Edit- I preferred the A1 hand grips though...and we had a few A2s with A1 hand grips. Just a matter of what was available for repair.
 
SMLE - Having experienced the 'wandering zero', I would take a K98 anytime.
FAL (SLR) I agree with, but I would have thought the STG-44 would have gotten higher.
Agree with Nial also, the Sten did do the job.

How about a Martini-Henry?
 
My Favorite......M-14.
(And makes a good club if ya need it)

Galil for the bush (Israeli made & great in the sand also!)
galil-arm-r.jpg


Vickers (water cooled) for the hole....10 thousand rounds and no barrel changes
The SAW fur walking around.

Barrett 50 w/ a Steigerglogg thermal-optic scope for saying howdy from another zip code. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
 
aeronca65t said:
I'll add, the Sten Gun.
Not going to argue just pointing out that the Sten gun (at least in my view) is really a submachine gun. Pistol round & magazine fed. Like the Tommy gun, M3 grease gun or the Russian PPD-40. Closer of the three to the Sten – would have to be the M3 with it’s cheap stamped steel construction. Great for when you want to put a wall of led between you an the bad guys but not a true combat or an assault rifle.
 
WhatsThatNoise said:
My Favorite......M-14.
(And makes a good club if ya need it)

Galil for the bush (Israeli made & great in the sand also!)
galil-arm-r.jpg


Vickers (water cooled) for the hole....10 thousand rounds and no barrel changes
The SAW fur walking around.

Barrett 50 w/ a Steigerglogg thermal-optic scope for saying howdy from another zip code. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
I too like the Galil +1. Kind of the best of the M16 & the AK combined for a great assault rifle.

The Vickers - was a great "Machine Gun" but again not a battle rifle.

As for the Barrett .50 cal? Well heck that ain't a rifle at all - its' an freak’n artillery piece. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif
 
The 8" Howitzer is my bestest most favorite battle weapon /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/devilgrin.gif

No tip-toeing around, hiding from people and trying ta be all quiet and sneaky-like......

<span style="color: #FF0000">BOOMmmm.......BOOMmmm......BOOMmmm</span>.........Then have tea /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
 
With reference to the Sten, my father actually used the things during his national service, and he says that they were awful to use. Inaccurate except at VERY close-quarters, and prone to jamming. Nial is correct about the ease of manufacture.

Agree with Bret, it's a sub-machine gun and shouldn't make the list.

Barry has a good point, the Martini-Henry was a darn good rifle. How about the Brown Bess? Helped build an empire!
 
yeah... I had the privilege of seeing one of those .50 rifles in my Company's (Ordnance Maintenance Company) Infantry Weapon Repair shop, while I was stationed in Okinawa. That thing is a monster! The first thing that popped into my head when I saw it sitting on the work bench was "RoboCop" heheh
 
Though not a particular weapon but a class of weapons, the “Kentucky Rifle” deserves honorable mention for its effect on battle tactics during the American Revolution and its outright effectiveness in combat.


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