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DeltaAir423 said:
Steve_S said:
They are marked exactly the same as any other Craftsman wrench, except that they have a 'W' after the size.

The good news: I got a great deal.

The bad news: The lifetime warranty won't do me much good!
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LMAO I'd be raising all sorts of heck with the manager if they won't honor their warranty on those whitworth tools!!!!!


ETA: You know Snap-On still sells whitworth?
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I agree - lifetme is lifetime! I expect years from now my grandson will be able to return broken Craftsman tools for exchange!
 
Just says 'lifetime'...
 
tony barnhill said:
DeltaAir423 said:
Steve_S said:
They are marked exactly the same as any other Craftsman wrench, except that they have a 'W' after the size.

The good news: I got a great deal.

The bad news: The lifetime warranty won't do me much good!
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LMAO I'd be raising all sorts of heck with the manager if they won't honor their warranty on those whitworth tools!!!!!


ETA: You know Snap-On still sells whitworth?
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I agree - lifetme is lifetime! I expect years from now my grandson will be able to return broken Craftsman tools for exchange!
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I will say this, lifetime warranties are why I buy off of my Snap-On dealer, and my former MAC dealer. I could go to a garage sale, or an auction, and pick up a bunch of used and beat up Snap-On and MAC tools, then turn them in for new ones! :laugh:
 
DeltaAir423 said:
tony barnhill said:
DeltaAir423 said:
Steve_S said:
They are marked exactly the same as any other Craftsman wrench, except that they have a 'W' after the size.

The good news: I got a great deal.

The bad news: The lifetime warranty won't do me much good!
Click to expand...



LMAO I'd be raising all sorts of heck with the manager if they won't honor their warranty on those whitworth tools!!!!!


ETA: You know Snap-On still sells whitworth?
Click to expand...
I agree - lifetme is lifetime! I expect years from now my grandson will be able to return broken Craftsman tools for exchange!
Click to expand...


I will say this, lifetime warranties are why I buy off of my Snap-On dealer, and my former MAC dealer. I could go to a garage sale, or an auction, and pick up a bunch of used and beat up Snap-On and MAC tools, then turn them in for new ones! :laugh:
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Same with Craftsman!
 
I'm sure Craftsman would honor the warranty on my Whitworth tools, but since they haven't made them in 30 years they would substitute for the next closest size, which would be SAE.

roofman said:
Being dumb, what is a Whitworth tool?
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Whitworth is a measurement, just like Metric, BSF/BSW (British Standard) or SAE (American Standard). In Whitworth, the wrench size is matched to thread size, not to the size of the head. It's much more logical than American sizing, where you can have three different head sizes for the same bolt. In Whitworth, head sizes are standard for each thread size.
 
Whitworth is a british thread size and pitch of their fasteners. According to Carroll Smith(renowned race car engineer) pretty much better than sae or uss or metric.

Then the brits went and changed the head size of the fasteners to go with their thread pitch, so everyone would know that you were trying to install a "whitworth" bolt in a non whitworth nut.
 
DrEntropy said:
I'll come down fer a visit. I'm "old stuff". :devilgrin:
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Next time you are down, let me know, I'm alway up for chatting with an LBC owner of any type. Who knows, maybe I'd even be able to drive my wreck of an MG to show her to you. :smile:

Also, I may be going up to visit my Daughter in Tampa sometime I think next month....
 
Good! We'll get together!
 
The important thing to know is that the british automotive industry pretty much quit using Whitworth fasteners in the mid to late 50s. For the most part,only the Carburetters still used them later than that.
MGT-series were all Whitworth, but I believe the MGA was American Standard.
Likewise the TR2 was Whitworth, but by the end of the TR3 run it was all SAE.
My spanners are actually Double marked. Because in TRUE British style, they had 2 systems of measuring the same fasteners. British Standard, and Whitworth. My Spanners show both sizes for each wrench end. (how's that for confusing?!)
 
Ah yes, but T-series cars have a mix of Whitworth and Metric threads!

Lever shocks also use Whitworth, right up to 1980 if I'm not mistaken.
 
When I was visiting a Bugatti restoration shop in the area a few weeks ago, I noticed that the fasteners on the Bugatti's looked 'different'. Ends up ol' Ettore made his fasteners in odd sizes so that you had to come back to Bugatti for everything, including the fasteners. They were metric, but odd numbers instead of even. Sometimes even in between like 7.1mm. That way it you would also need Bugatti specific tools to work on them. Pretty crafty of that Italian living in France.
 
Seems Bill Gates was a Bugatti fan.
 
Bugatti restoration shop? That sounds very interesting but seemingly very limited. Granted you are talking stratospheric dollars but have a finite customer base....
 
The thing about Bugatti's is that they are very fragile. The owners still tend to drive them though so they always need service and repair. Even Jay Leno sends his Bugatti's to this shop. Last time I was there were 6 Bugatti's, a few Delehaye's and even a Voisin. Very interesting shop and they work internationally.
 
Banjo said:
My spanners are actually Double marked. Because in TRUE British style, they had 2 systems of measuring the same fasteners. British Standard, and Whitworth. My Spanners show both sizes for each wrench end. (how's that for confusing?!)
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Not quite true. There were 2 systems, but mostly not for the same fasteners.
BSF - British Standard Fine
BSW (often plain W)- British Standard Whitworth.
Whitworth threads were coarser than BSF, and had different head sizes. 1/4" Whit had the same head size as 5/16" BSF, for example. That's why you get two markings on your spanners, but they're different fasteners.

Occasionally you get both threads on the same fastener. Typically, when you have a stud screwing into aluminium, it'll have a Whit thread for the soft aluminium, but a BSF thread for the nut.
 
Thanks Roger, I knew it was somthing like that. one measures the bottom of the thread groove, and one the top, right, And yes the pitch and thread count was different... I think you have it correct.
 
swift6 said:
The thing about Bugatti's is that they are very fragile. The owners still tend to drive them though so they always need service and repair.
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Yup.....
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Nothin' like watchin' someone beat the tar outta pricless vintage cars!!!!!hehehehehehe
 
Those Bugattis don't look so "fragile"! :laugh:

At the bottom of that hill climb clip, there are links to some more Bugatti clips. Check out the one with the blue "racer". There is another Bugatti and an E type that show up later in the clip. And then pay attention to the Texaco station in the background!!
 
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