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To vent or not to vent

crj7driver

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I am in a frame off and have been tempted to put in fender vents, but can't decide if I like them or not. Part of me thinks they are cool the other thinks they destroy the cleanliness of the fender. I am kind of going in a group 44 retro race car direction and may even fabricate a period correct race windshield, but that is several months away. Also, not too concerned with originality, due to the different seats, windshield and color.

Looking for thought and opinions. The car will likely be silver, tired of seeing red Tr's (mine is/was currently red) and not sure if I am in love with BRG anymore. BRG is a likely second, if I don't go silver.

Below is a picture of one type of vent I am considering and my inferior attempt at photoshop

Thanks
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RR44SSV6.jpg
 
Thanks for the input, the vents will definetly be functional and I am working on a scale example for the vents. I played around with the size of the vent, that's why there is a cropped one in the tree on the upper right, The proper scale will be key, I just like the shape of the ones I used. The TR in the picture is not mine I am sorry to say, but here is the link for more pictures.

https://www.racetorations.co.uk/tr6/tr6.html

The wheels are made by a British shop, I have the info somewhere if you really want it (need to find it in my files). They can make wheels like that and other in any offset, size and width. For the ones in the picture, they are around 300 pounds each, or $520. 00 each.
 
I say as long as you're not concerned with staying original with the car you should go for it. It looks really cool!!!
 
Check out this pic of an original Triumph TRS LeMans car Raced around 60 and 61 (even before the TR4 was in production)
Specifically look at the fender vents
 
That is a very cool look. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I'd say go for it.
 
I like the idea of vents. However IMHO the style in your picture is too modern. My preference is more along the lines of the TRS or a Healey 3000. Something with a slight recess and some stainless woven wire.
 
Hi,

I also think the idea of fender vents is a very good one. (I'm installing them on my TR4.)

They are not just for looks, since they will help the engine compartment stay cooler and supply the carbs with plenty of nice, fresh air.

There is quite a bit of air pressure trying to escape from an engine compartment, more when in motion. But even if stopped and idling, with the cooling fan operating, some means of escape for air should be useful. Anywhere along the flat area of the fender behind the wheel well is a low pressure area that should help pull air out, when the car is at speed.

Style is a matter of personal preference and taste, of course. On the Michelotti cars, I prefer something a bit cruder, more in keeping with what was used on various race cars of that era. On the Karman-body TR6, I think a little more modern and finished vent looks fine (Hey, it looks good in the tree, too!). IMHO, you should choose what you like. You can find a lot of photos out on the Internet, on Triumph and many other cars.

The usual "Shell Rally" triangular vents right behind the wheel well on TR4 aren't my personal favorite. I've looked at 6 or 7 other possible designs that I think can be physically be fitted to the car and have narrowed it down to something along the line of the TRS LeMans cars some sort of louvering. Louvers can be protruding or indented, vertical or angled "slashes".

I have definitely decided to use the TRS-style location, no matter what the final vent looks like. I like that it is farther rearward in the engine compartment, and a little higher up. I suspect that will be at least a little more efficient than the slightly lower, more forward "Shell" vents, where the battery/wiper motor/footwell shelves and firewall can still tend to trap some air. The difference is likely minimal, since there's got to be a lot of air swirling around under the hood when the car is in motion.

One thing to think about with the more rearward location is water drainage. The area between the inner and outer fender is already a bit of a problem, because of the drain leading in there from the scuttle vents. If using this location, some thought needs to be given to sealing the vents or providing good drainage. Drainage is less of a concern with the "Shell" style vents, although mud an muck thrown up by the tire might tend to get caught and trapped around the vent ducting.

At any rate, the removeable TR fenders make for a relatively easy installation of vents in either location.

Another approach, either instead of or along with fender vents, is louvering the hood. That can get a bit tricky. Too far back and the effect of the windshield will be to trap air, at speed. Also, hood vents might give a nasty surprise if there is ever a serious coolant or oil leak under the hood. There's a some chance that hood vents would direct any fluids right onto the windshield!

Further forward on the hood louvers might help air flow through the radiator, but would do little for air trapped further back. Also, I'd be a bit concerned about positioning louvers over the ignition system, that rain might get in there too easily and foul the electrics.

Have fun!

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Venting the bonnet is tricky. Your most likely to find that while stopped heat does escape through the vents but at speed air will go in the vents instead of out. Especially when they get near the windscreen and the large negative pressure area there. Same reason why "cowl Induction" works with the scoop facing rearward.

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I happen to be in a Land Rover dealer today and I saw the vents in question. As for the size, they are way overscale for our LBC's. It will have to be retooled smaller.
don
 
Why not do louvers in the fender? That would give you the vents that you want and still keep the lines of the car intact.
 
I know this is old hat, but here are the louvers that I had done to my bonnet, only on the right side of the car, to feed the triple carbs at speed and allow some heat to escape at idle. I use water-resistant carb "socks" in the event of being caught in heavy rain.
louvers.jpg


Bill
 
Hi all, great looking vents and I like the idea. Here in the South in summer you can cook eggs in the wheel wells. I was thinking about it years ago and came up with two I liked, the TVR has nice (and period) ones and the GT6 also was a thought, but not sure the full chrome was going to look right. Wayne
 
Thanks again for the input. Looks like everyone likes some sort of vent. I will have to scratch my head a little and play around with different designs. I like the vents on the blue TR4/250?, not sure if I can get those already fabricated or if I am on my own for those, we'll see.

I always like the ones on the current Aston Martins, https://www.plus4.freeserve.co.uk/amorg/bloxham/am1341.jpg
but that may be beyond my metal working ability. Then I saw the Range Rover ones, and tought if I chopped them down I might have something. But first I need to remount the tub.

Thanks
 
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I like the vents on the blue TR4/250?, not sure if I can get those already fabricated or if I am on my own for those, we'll see.

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Hi,

The vents you see on the powder blue TR4 (looks like a pretty faithful replica of the factory rally cars) can be bought in kit form from Neil Revington (www.revingtontr.com), who happens to own two of the original rally cars and races one of them regularly. He offers a lot of TR performance upgrades based upon the factory rally car modifications.

Those are the triangular "Shell Rally" style vents I mentioned earlier. They weren't used on the TR4 factory team cars initially. Early photos of the cars don't show them (and show that the cars initially used wire wheels). The vents were installed sometime after a year or so (along with magnesium wheels and other mods).

The "grills" within the TR4 Shell Rally vents were supposedly made from pieces cut from Herald grills. They are pretty similar in style to the original TR4 stamped aluminum grill. At any rate, Neil probably provides the grills in his kits.

There might be some U.S. vendors offering the same style vents, I dunno. I'm sure there are some other British vendors offering them.

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