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Tips on painting gas tank?

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Ok, I am about to the point where I want to clean and paint my EType's gas tank. I would like to do a very good job and not just spray it with a rattle can. I have a decent paint gun which I have never used and access to a good paint booth. The question is, what sort of paint should I use and should I use primer first? Can someone who has done this type of painting give me a quick tutorial on how to best proceed?

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Basil said:
I have a decent paint gun which I have never used and access to a good paint booth.
Basil

Get a hold of some junky doors or other trashed car body parts to practice on before you try spraying. Spraying is somewhat of an art, and it takes a bit of practice to get it right.
 
well Basil, you paint it in Primer, that's how they came originally, a sort of a celery-green color primer used at Jaguar all the way to 1989 when Ford introduced Black to the British. My 1965's tanks are celery green, and my 1984's tanks are celery green. Even the body's primer was celery green. I have a video showing the manufacture of Jaguars at the factory, and they were primed in celery green before entering the spray booth.

And for heaven's sake, it's only a gas tank, you don't have to paint it like Michelangelo. If you saw how my 1965 and 1984 Jaguar gas tanks came "painted" from the factory, you'd probably do better than the factory with a cheap spray can!! (assuming you can get the celery green).

By the way, the same green was used on the seat frames, here's a picture showing the underside of my XJ seats in (you guessed it) Celery Green.

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Basil,

Since you have access to a paint booth you could use a paint with hardner such as PPG Acrylic Urethane which is a single stage (no clear) but that will require the appropriate reducers/hardners which makes it a pricey solution (unless you plan to paint other things the same color). Or you could use engine enamel from someone like Hirsche but the finish won't be quite as nice. BTW, a semi gloss will probably look better since high gloss shows every little defect.

Yes, use a good primer .. I like to start with a self etching primer to get good adhesion to the steel. Only use a thicker high solids primer if you have surface defects to cover/level.

Quick tutorial.

1. Remove all old paint with a stripper or mechanical method (sanding, wire brush, sand blast).

2. Clean metal with lacquer thinner or mineral spirits. If you suspect any silicone contamination you can wipe down with PrepSol (from auto paint store). If you do have silicone on the surface your first coat will 'fish eye' (paint won't adhere in spots forming small round depressions) Figure out a way to hang the tank by a wire/fixture so you can paint the whole thing at one time by turning. You don't want it flapping around though .. sometimes two wires are needed to stabilize the part with hooks that the top to turn things around. Remember you need easy access to the top, bottom, sides, too.

3. prime with self etch primer (good way to practice with your spray gun). BTW, you will need clean dry air. I like to use a small disposable filter at the base of the gun along with an air regulator there to allow fine adjustments.

4. Read the directions on your self-etch primer. There is usually a window of time between primer and top coat where you don't need to sand. If you go over you may have to scuff the self-etch to get good adhesion with the top coat. I usually use a fine scotch bright type pad (from auto body store) to scuff the surface.

5. Stir the paint thoroughly, empty into a similar container so you can make sure the bottom of the can is clean (all the good stuff settles to the bottom). Thin the top coat per the directions. Use a paper cone type paint strainer as you transfer the mixed paint into the gun.

6. Using the spray gun. This is tricky to explain because there are so many variables such as paint thick vs. thin. type of paint, spray pattern, type of gun. All I can say is experiment with some spare panels. Play with the air pressure .. see what happens if it it too low (heavy texture, splatters, not much atomization). It the air pressure is too high you will see paint blowing all over the place, runs, lots of paint hitting the surface. You want something in between. Play with the spray pattern adjustment. All the way in one direction will make a dot pattern (not good unless you are shooting in a very tight space) to a very wide pattern, possibly heavy at the each end. So you want a fairly wide pattern but don't open it wider than that. Play with the paint volume control. Usually something in the middle will give you plenty of paint for fairly large objects like a fuel tank.

You want to always keep the spray gun moving when you are applying paint. The first part of the trigger is air. I keep the air on all the time when painting as this keeps the tip clear. I start moving the gun and then pull the trigger in all the way which starts the paint. The speed is adjusted as you watch the paint hit the surface so that you get good consistant coverage. If you go too fast the coverage will be light, if you go too slow you will get too much paint and risk runs. Better to error slightly on the light side and do more coats until you get more experience. Try to keep the gun 90 degrees to the surface being painted at all times. It takes lots of wrist awareness and movement to keep the gun perpedicular as you sweep back and forth, overlapping each pass about 50%. Think of your body, arm, wrist as a painting robot and control the passes as consistantly as possible. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Start and stop the spray beyond the part so you will get even coverage at the edges.

Even though you will be using a spray booth, use an respirator, goggles, and cover exposed skin as much as possible. Especially if you using a paint with hardners.

Hopefully you can find someone to help set you up and give some pointers. It's not terrible difficult but so many little things can and do go wrong with painting that experience is a big advantage.

Cheers,
John

p.s. here is link I saved on setting up the Harbor Freight HPVL gun (o.k. gun for some stuff including primers .. I prefer Sata for final finishes)
HF paint gun setup
 
John, thanks for the tips! I'll try to get some old body panels from a salvage yeard to practice on. Painting properly with a gun is something I've always wanted to do and I figured a Gas tank would be a good thing to start with. I do have several other bits which I can paint the same color, such as my front wheel arch panels, and a few other engine compartment panels. I'll start on what would be the bottom of teh tank as that won't be visible when installed so if I mess it up - oh well.

Basil
 
If you 'mess up' you can let it dry and sand out the imperfections. Each time you build up paint and sand it down the surface gets smoother too! If you have parts that are more visible and need smoother finishes then you can use a high solids primer after the self-etch. Lots of opinions on primers from epoxy, 2 part polyester, rust encapsulating, etc. I have been using a product called Zero Rust lately for parts (not whole car bodies),happy with the results and it's easy to use (single stage, no hardners, no thinning). It is also like a self-etch in the way it bonds with the metal. After the primer you just need to block sand to get a smooth finish and then shoot your top coat.

Regarding spray cans. You can get very very good results with a quality spray can if the part is small enough. I find something like a gas tank too large to keep the paint wet enough for a good finish. Just my opinion though.
 
I have painted lots of small parts with a can and had good luck in most cases, but I felt something a large as a gas tank deserved to be done with a proper gun. Besides I need to learn who to do this stuff if I'm going to paint my Daimler someday! /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif
 
New or used tank?
If used, it would be a good precaution to ground the tank somehow.(possibly a strap from the spray gun to the tank, and one to a ground somewhere) If you've ever cleaned the filters out of a paint booth you'd be amazed at the amount of static electricity stored in overspray.
It's probably a very minor issue, but I just thought I'd add it in.
 
Banjo said:
New or used tank?
If used, it would be a good precaution to ground the tank somehow.(possibly a strap from the spray gun to the tank, and one to a ground somewhere) If you've ever cleaned the filters out of a paint booth you'd be amazed at the amount of static electricity stored in overspray.
It's probably a very minor issue, but I just thought I'd add it in.

Good advice, but I doubt I have an issue with this tank as its been sitting open and out of the car for 15 years.

Basil
 
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