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I just received my interior panel kit from TRF for my 1957 TS19909 L O . The rear bulkhead, the one covering the fuel tank on the inside is not the same as the one I removed from the car. Who can tell me what really belongs there, the plane black press board, or the sewn vinyl covered plywood. I reasonably sure I have the original black interior.
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Gordon_Dedrick
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Not sure what you got, but I can assure you if TRF had it made it is as close to original as possible. Mr. Runyon is a REAL stickler for originality.
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MGTF1250Dave
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Aloha,
Here is an excerpt from the TRA (triumph Registry of America)Judging Standards & Restoration Guidelines 2004:
“Rear Bulkhead Panel (Front Petrol Tank Casing) - Several types of rear bulkhead panels were fitted to the
cars during the production run. These are described below.
TS 1 through TS 8636 were fitted with a lightweight fiberboard panel trimmed in unpadded vinyl to match the
trim color of the car. These panels had no piping, sewn pleats, or pressed in "pleat" designs.
TS 8637 through TS 22013 were fitted with three types of rear bulkhead panels.
- Early (?): Some early TR3's were fitted with an untrimmed "pebblegrain" millboard that was either
black or sprayed to match the trim. These panels had pressed in "pleats" in the pattern illustrated
below, courtesy of The Roadster Factory.
- Late: At some point unknown, the untrimmed panel was replaced by a trimmed panel identical to the
TR2 panel above, except the fiberboard may have been a little more substantial.
- On TR3's equipped with occasional rear seats, the rear bulkhead panels above were replaced by a
wooden squab board upholstered to match the front seats and rear cushion in either vinyl or leather
and vinyl. The sewn pleats in these squab boards were similar to the pressed in "pleats" of the
untrimmed "early" rear bulkhead panels.
TS 22014 through TS 60000 were fitted with two types of rear bulkhead panels.
- Early: The early TR3A's were fitted with a rear bulkhead panel made of two parts, a plywood lower
panel and a steel upper panel. The two panels were rivetted together, then trimmed in vinyl of a new
pattern of horizontal pleats. The edges of the panel were piped in contrasting colors (usually white or
cream). These panels were rather heavily padded with cotton wadding, as there was no squab board
with TR3A occasional rear seat assemblies. This panel is illustrated below, courtesy of The Roadster
Factory.
- At some point in 1958, the two piece rear bulkhead panel was replaced by a one piece rigid fiberboard
panel trimmed in padded vinyl of the same pattern as the two piece one. The sewn pleats were also
replaced by pressed in "pleats" at some point, most likely at or around the same time, as the one piece
rear bulkhead panels observed all had heat pressed "pleats".
- At TS 60000, the lower portion of the rear bulkhead panel was altered to fit the new flat rear shelf.
Otherwise the construction and trim of these panels was the same as those immediately preceding.”
Here is an excerpt from the TRA (triumph Registry of America)Judging Standards & Restoration Guidelines 2004:
“Rear Bulkhead Panel (Front Petrol Tank Casing) - Several types of rear bulkhead panels were fitted to the
cars during the production run. These are described below.
TS 1 through TS 8636 were fitted with a lightweight fiberboard panel trimmed in unpadded vinyl to match the
trim color of the car. These panels had no piping, sewn pleats, or pressed in "pleat" designs.
TS 8637 through TS 22013 were fitted with three types of rear bulkhead panels.
- Early (?): Some early TR3's were fitted with an untrimmed "pebblegrain" millboard that was either
black or sprayed to match the trim. These panels had pressed in "pleats" in the pattern illustrated
below, courtesy of The Roadster Factory.
- Late: At some point unknown, the untrimmed panel was replaced by a trimmed panel identical to the
TR2 panel above, except the fiberboard may have been a little more substantial.
- On TR3's equipped with occasional rear seats, the rear bulkhead panels above were replaced by a
wooden squab board upholstered to match the front seats and rear cushion in either vinyl or leather
and vinyl. The sewn pleats in these squab boards were similar to the pressed in "pleats" of the
untrimmed "early" rear bulkhead panels.
TS 22014 through TS 60000 were fitted with two types of rear bulkhead panels.
- Early: The early TR3A's were fitted with a rear bulkhead panel made of two parts, a plywood lower
panel and a steel upper panel. The two panels were rivetted together, then trimmed in vinyl of a new
pattern of horizontal pleats. The edges of the panel were piped in contrasting colors (usually white or
cream). These panels were rather heavily padded with cotton wadding, as there was no squab board
with TR3A occasional rear seat assemblies. This panel is illustrated below, courtesy of The Roadster
Factory.
- At some point in 1958, the two piece rear bulkhead panel was replaced by a one piece rigid fiberboard
panel trimmed in padded vinyl of the same pattern as the two piece one. The sewn pleats were also
replaced by pressed in "pleats" at some point, most likely at or around the same time, as the one piece
rear bulkhead panels observed all had heat pressed "pleats".
- At TS 60000, the lower portion of the rear bulkhead panel was altered to fit the new flat rear shelf.
Otherwise the construction and trim of these panels was the same as those immediately preceding.”
PeterK
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This matches my 58 TS29694 with pressed in pleats, not sewn:
At some point in 1958, the two piece rear bulkhead panel was replaced by a one piece rigid fiberboard panel trimmed in padded vinyl of the same pattern as the two piece one. The sewn pleats were also replaced by pressed in "pleats" at some point, most likely at or around the same time, as the one piece rear bulkhead panels observed all had heat pressed "pleats".
At some point in 1958, the two piece rear bulkhead panel was replaced by a one piece rigid fiberboard panel trimmed in padded vinyl of the same pattern as the two piece one. The sewn pleats were also replaced by pressed in "pleats" at some point, most likely at or around the same time, as the one piece rear bulkhead panels observed all had heat pressed "pleats".
AweMan
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The one in TS 12909 was covered in carpet , it also had two chrome plated bolts about mid section equally spaced holding it to the gas tank straps which had weld nuts to accommodate these chrome bolts. The carpet was also bound on the edges with the same binding as the floor carpets had. Not original? If it wasn`t, someone went to great lengths to make it appear so. Another thing ... the center dash gauge cluster panel was not painted with the crinkle paint as described by so many of you. It was in fact upholstered with the same leather as on the capping rails and dash face. Not original? If not I wonder why there is/was no sign crinkle paint had ever been present once I removed the leather covering.
This is a manufactured in sept of 56 licensed in 57 small mouth car. eg. no exterior door handles red and black badge, drums on all four, wires, spindled spline hubs w no lugs. Another thing .. the seats were the square top seat backs not the round ones as describes for earlier cars and yes there is a possibility that the P.O. did change some of this stuff, we did not acquire the car until 1963 and it was the epitome of basket cases.
This is a manufactured in sept of 56 licensed in 57 small mouth car. eg. no exterior door handles red and black badge, drums on all four, wires, spindled spline hubs w no lugs. Another thing .. the seats were the square top seat backs not the round ones as describes for earlier cars and yes there is a possibility that the P.O. did change some of this stuff, we did not acquire the car until 1963 and it was the epitome of basket cases.
vivdownunder
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For TR3's, I think suppliers have consolidated to just the one rear trim panel.
The most commonly seen rear panel on TR3's has a rectangular shaped padded insert in the middle. This has verticle pressed-in pleats which continue partly onto the angled upper section of the panel.
Along the bottom edge of the original, there was a small cutout each side to clear the fuel tank hold down straps.
The vynil facing was glued onto the fibre backing board.
Viv.
The most commonly seen rear panel on TR3's has a rectangular shaped padded insert in the middle. This has verticle pressed-in pleats which continue partly onto the angled upper section of the panel.
Along the bottom edge of the original, there was a small cutout each side to clear the fuel tank hold down straps.
The vynil facing was glued onto the fibre backing board.
Viv.
I received a box of the removed interior pieces when I got the car. In comparing the removed pieces with the new kit from TRF, I found the rear panel to be different. I removed a steel topped piece with pleated (sewn) vinyl, black/black, still attached, and some padding, with no fiber board or plywood left. The kit for my commission # came with a piece of black fiber board, as described on the web. Moss has consolidated, as mentioned above, but VB lists a black/black panel with sewn pleats for 88XX to 22XXX which looks an awful lot like mine in the picture. TRF insists this is not correct, but has also graciously and professionally offered to send me the rear board listed in their 1958 only interior kit. Difference being the white piping on their 1958 board. Comments?
vivdownunder
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White piping was introduced for the TR3 on the wheel arch trims, but on the rear panel, piping was vynil colour. However, there are so few TR3's around that I doubt anyone would notice if the rear panel was piped in white.
It's possible the rear panel that came with your car isn't original, as the TR3 panel was all pressed fibreboard. The steel topped rear panel you describe was a TR3A fitment to take extra padding, so they could delete the backrest for the occasional rear seat.
That's unless your car was made close to the release of the TR3A. Changeover points for various alterations didn't always coincide with the first example of a new model. Makes for trouble when ordering parts.
Viv.
It's possible the rear panel that came with your car isn't original, as the TR3 panel was all pressed fibreboard. The steel topped rear panel you describe was a TR3A fitment to take extra padding, so they could delete the backrest for the occasional rear seat.
That's unless your car was made close to the release of the TR3A. Changeover points for various alterations didn't always coincide with the first example of a new model. Makes for trouble when ordering parts.
Viv.