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The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedometer !

Ed_K

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I just finished installing the Lempert gear set into my 65 BJ8. Not only do I like the way the car drives, but it also corrected my speedometer.
Ever since my dad bought the car in 1970, the speedometer has indicated a significantly faster speed than the car was traveling. Once the 3.56 gear set was installed and I drove it on the highway with a coworker who brought along his GPS, the speedometer indication was exactly the same as the GPS all the way up to 70 MPH. At 70 MPH the car was only going 68 MPH on the GPS.
I conclude that when the car was manufactured, they simply used the speedometer/gearing they had on hand in the parts bin. The 3.56 ratio was used on the earlier cars that did not have overdrive so they must have had too many speedometers left over that were built for the 3.56 ratio instead of the 3.91 ratio of the overdrive cars. It is nice knowing how fast I am going for a change. When driving around town, I don't feel the need to switch on the overdrive.
....
I tried posting some adds on the classified section but it was asking for my password and didn't like it for some reason.
I now have two differential related items for sale to forum members;
1.. A standard differential carrier assembly removed from my car with 80,000 miles, ( less 10-12 % for speedometer error),
It was working fine when I removed it. It is the standard 3.91 ratio for overdrive cars. I want $150.00 plus shipping for it.
It can be used as is or use it to install your Lempert gear set and then swap the whole assembly into your car. That is what I did to minimize down time.
2.. A matched ring and pinion set with 100,000 miles on it that I removed from the extra differential carrier assembly that is now installed in my car with my Lempert gear set.
I'll take $100.00 plus shipping for the set.
If you are interested in either item, send me a PM.
:hammer:
:driving:
Ed
 

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Hi Ed.

I'll take #1.

Shoot me an Email at <span style="font-weight: bold">timm@healey.org</span> with your phone number and I'll call you tomorrow and we can discuss arrangements.

Payment will be immediate, but I plan on going to a Florida for a Shuttle Launch in May and I may be able to stop in and pick it up.

Tim
 
Ed_K said:
1.. A standard differential carrier assembly removed from my car with 80,000 miles, ( less 10-12 % for speedometer error)...

The odometer reading was probably correct (well, as correct as a Smiths speedo can be). If the speedometer dial has '1000' printed under the odometer it's the correct part (meaning 1000 revs of the cable is one mile, I believe). If so, now your odometer and trip meter will understate mileage by about 11%.

The odometer and trip meter are driven by gears off a spiral drive on the cable. Re-calibration requires changing of ratcheting gears on the trip meter and odometer. The speed indicator is magnetically driven--calibration is just a matter of repositioning the needle on the spindle.

Did you ever check your speedometer and odometer against the mileage markers alongside some roads?
 
Oops !

I GOOFED !

Ed,

After my enthusiasm lessened a bit, I re-read your post about your rear gears for sale. It was only then that I read the part in your first line about your car being a 65 BJ-8.

I wanted the rear gears as a spare set for my V8 powered 1959 100-6. Obviously, your BJ gears will not fit my differential. As such I regretably need to pull my statement that I would buy your item #1.

I am very sorry for my oversight and hope that my outburst did not cause you any problems.

Thanks in advance for understanding.

Tim
 
Re: Oops !

Tim,

There are only two differentials in the Healey's. The BN1 and all the rest. Those gears will fit your car unless you have a BN1 rear end.
 
Re: The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedomete

Hi Tim,

It was going to be yours but I read your later post. No problem.
I'll try to post it to the classified section of the forum. Basil said he was having problems with that part of his software but thinks he may have it straightened out.

Ed
 
Re: Oops !

I got lucky about the Lempert gear set.
A fellow forum member posted a set on sale to the forum last fall and I just happened to be the first one to see his post.
.... I read everyone's posts about the long wait time for the set to be made and then delivered so I wasn't very hopeful of ever getting one.
I'll say this about that gear set. When I had the set installed and set up in the spare differential carrier. The experienced guy that did it said it did not require any shims at all to achieve the correct clearance. Apparently it is similar in design to old fords which this guy had done hundreds of in his life. He said that it was the best fitting set of gears he had ever seen and the first one that didn't need any shims to be within the proper clearances. I noticed that there was less play in the gears than the factory unit that I removed from my car.
So if you ever get the Lempert gear set in your hand, you will not be sorry.
Ed
 
Re: The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedomete

Ed_K said:
Hi Tim,

It was going to be yours but I read your later post. No problem.
Ed

Hi Ed,

Sorry about MY confusion. Since I don't have a "conventional" big Healey, I sometimes don't pay too much attention to many of the Healey details.

I was told this AM that the BJ-8 and the 100-6 diffs were different, but it looks as if the gears are all the same and the housings are different.

IF the gears will fit my 100-6 housing as you state, I DO STILL WANT the #1 gears.

Go ahead and shoot me your Phone # and I'll call you. I will also respond to the bellsouth.net Email that you sent me and I will include MY phone number.

Tim
 
Re: The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedomete

Hi Bob,

I got the 1000 printed on the dial of my speedometer.
I had checked the odometer a couple of years ago and it appeared to be racking up the miles faster than I was passing the mile markers. It appeared to be off about the same percentage as the speedometer.
If there is only one cable driving both the speedometer and
odometer and the speedometer was way wrong, wouldn't it be safe to assume the odometer would be off by the same amount ?
What am I missing in my thinking ?

Ed
 
Re: The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedomete

Ed_K said:
Hi Bob,

I got the 1000 printed on the dial of my speedometer.
I had checked the odometer a couple of years ago and it appeared to be racking up the miles faster than I was passing the mile markers. It appeared to be off about the same percentage as the speedometer.
If there is only one cable driving both the speedometer and
odometer and the speedometer was way wrong, wouldn't it be safe to assume the odometer would be off by the same amount ?
What am I missing in my thinking ?

Ed

Ed,

Here's the de facto source of info on Smiths speedometers:

https://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/speedo.pdf

The odometer and tripmeter are driven by gears directly connected to the cable. The speed indicator is magnetically coupled, so at best it's accurate in only a fairly narrow range.

A large worm gear attached to the cable drives two right angle gears--these often crack--that turn eccentric shafts that push ratchet gears on the odometer and tripmeter. When I installed a Lempert gearset I had Palo Alto Speedometer install two smaller ratchet gears they got from England to recalibrate the odometer and trip meter. I believe all they did to calibrate the speed indicator was to reposition the needle.

If you believe your odometer and tripmeter were inaccurate before you changed the diff gears then it's possible the wrong ratchet gears were installed at some point. Hard to imagine how or why that happened, but it's possible. Now that you have a new rearend you should carefully check against some mile markers or a good GPS. My guess is the odometer and trip meter will understate your milege; however the speed indication may be (more) correct if it was overstating to begin with.
 
Re: The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedomete

Bob,

Thanks for the explanation.
I'll be checking my odometer against the mile post signs on my next drive.

Ed

:driving:
 
Re: The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedomete

Cottontop, I believe the ring and pinon Ed is selling came from the differential I sold him several months ago. They are the original gears that came out of my 1960 BT7 I have owned since 1963. I am confident they will fit your car. I replaced my rearend with a 3.54 unit I bought on ebay.
 
Re: The 3.56 Lempert gears corrected my speedomete

Thanks Rob... I talked to Ed and he didn't say what the source was.

As I told him, I have 4.10s in my 100-6 and because I have a V8 car, one never knows when/if the "KRUNCH" will come. These 3.91s will be spares, sitting on the shelf "just in case".

Insurance, doncha know......

Tim
 
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