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Stolen AH and MG Parts

paulsherman said:
I have always thought that they should construct "stocks" in the center of all of the modern Malls and then put criminals in the stocks and put them on display for the public .
Hey that would work with my plan of having "public slapping's" - Put them on a stage, announce their stupidity & then open the floor for people to slap them (or in the case of stealing LBC parts, sustitute slapping with hand to slaping with rusty steel bar...)
 
We're an unforgiving lot by all evidence. :smirk:
 
DrEntropy said:
We're an unforgiving lot by all evidence. :smirk:

On the contrary, Matthew 3:8, "Produce fruit in keeping with repentance."

What is repentance? (excerpts from https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1015-what-is-the-fruit-of-repentance )

1) The Greek verb that is translated “repent” is metanoeo. Literally, it means “after thought.” It suggests the idea of thinking about a deed after the commission of it. In the case of a sinful action, the idea would be a retrospection of the act, and a subsequent feeling of sorrow for having committed the sin.

2) With reference to the issue at hand, the change of life that is characteristic of repentance must correspond to the gravity and nature of the offence. Otherwise, there simply is no repentance.

3) Finally, what is the actual “fruit” required in genuine repentance? Several factors must be taken into consideration.
First, if the sin has been against another person individually, amendment must be addressed to that person. Second, whenever such is possible, an attempt at restitution should be made.

Then, forgiveness asked, forgiveness received.
 
Key then is "restitution".

...I'd restitute 'em. Or they'd suffer in the attempt.
 
You have to hand it to those old Greeks. :thumbsup: They have a word for everything. :yesnod:
I'm thinking Doc's restitution would amount to destitution. :devilgrin:

Stuart. :cheers:
 
On the contrary, Matthew 3:8, "Produce fruit in keeping with repentance."
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I like the old saying "an eye for an eye" better. I'd want them put in a car crusher!
 
markberry said:
On the contrary, Matthew 3:8, "Produce fruit in keeping with repentance."

I like the old saying "an eye for an eye" better. I'd want them put in a car crusher!
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You may like the old saying, but you might not like all of it

You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5:38,39
:whistle:
 
You're a better person than me John!
What does the bible say to do when someone steals years of irreplaceable work from you? Do we unlock the garage and point out all the rest of the stuff to these "evil people" that they forgot to grab on their first run through? Would that be the same as offering the other cheek? Does calling the police and filing a report constitute "resisting the evil person"? What about pressing charges if they are caught? What about filing an insurance claim? Would that be considered "not turning the other cheek"? I understand the spirit in what you are saying, but I think.....Ahh forget what I think. This is just going to turn into a big blasphemist(sp?)rant. I'm glad there's people in this world like you that can forgive others for the wrong things they do.
Have a great weekend
Mark
 
what is ceasars render unto ceasar.

in other words what ever our goverment or law we are under, we should abid and use those laws. As a Christian I have no problem in enforcing the laws of the land and expecting full punishment for those involved. as in the law of the land.

I leave "all " judgement to our courts. Forgiving is not forgetting, forgiving is not holding any contempt, anger,etc.. for what one has done against you.

in a nut shell let the law deal with the bad guys and accept the punishment given by our court system
 
Trust me Mark, I'm better than no one! Forgiveness is an issue that I struggle with on a daily and often hourly basis. In fact, the more I understand about forgiveness, the more I realize what a courageous act it really is. To your point though I think we really don't understand forgiveness. We see "fallen" TV evangelists who say, "you have to forgive me." well, no, actually we don't because you haven't repented. we see people struggling to forgive people who have never asked for forgiveness. We believe that forgiving or for that matter turning the other cheek makes us fools or patsies. In fact the opposite is true. Jesus was not a fool, nor was he taken for one, nor did he suffer fools. In Matthew 10:16, Jesus says, "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." It's the shrewd and innocent that we struggle with and each comes to a different circumstance. So, do I lock my garage? - yes! do I call the police? - yes! If one of these guys came back after a vacation in club fed and asked for a job guarding inventory, would I give it to them - probably not without real evidence he had changed.

Forgiveness then, is part of a larger relationship. It involves repentance on the part of the one who has sinned, it involves a change of heart on the part of the perpetrator and a request for forgiveness. And, then it requires the courage of the one sinned against to have the grace to no longer hold it against that person.

And, notwithstanding everything I just wrote in the previous paragraph, sometimes we have to forgive so that we can let go of whatever happened and get on with our lives. I know too many people who nurse hurts and pains and never let them go. Sadly when that happens we are still controlled by that event. Sometimes we have to forgive for our sake not theirs.

Every time I have ever preached on forgiveness I have had in the congregation someone who was in a Japanese prison camp - I can't even begin to speculate on the issues around forgiveness in that kind of history. And, while I can't just say "well, that's OK, there are exceptions to whom Jesus wants us to forgive" - remember the Lord's prayer, forgive as forgiven. Still, I understand and more to the point believe that God understands and helps us with what we can't do for ourselves (grace). At the same time I remember the story of the two vets who had been in a prison camp. One says, "have you forgiven your captors?" the other answers, "no, I will never forgive!" to which the first replies "then I guess you're still their prisoner." I struggle with the story and am not even sure I agree with it but, it does point out the dilemma of what this all means for our own lives.

Anyway, I appreciate your candidness and do want to make sure you know that this stuff isn't easy for anyone.
:cheers:
 
I dislike being serious, but...


...awww, I wrote a paragraph... then scrapped it.

I guess I ~can't~ be serious. :jester:
 
Well said both of you. It's complicated stuff but I feel better about the subject already. It's interesting how guidance in the Bible is still relevant 2000 years later.
Regards
Mark
 
markberry said:
Well said both of you. It's complicated stuff but I feel better about the subject already. It's interesting how guidance in the Bible is still relevant 2000 years later.
Regards
Mark

which for me is exactly what makes it the Bible. Any other book I can read and reread and never read again. what makes this one real is that every time I open it I see something I never saw before - even if I've read it 100 times before. Living Books do that - or at least the only one I know.
 
DrEntropy said:
I dislike being serious, but...


...awww, I wrote a paragraph... then scrapped it.

I guess I ~can't~ be serious. :jester:

well duh!

and so, back to playing with cars and general silliness.

The first car in the Bible?

Joshua's Triumph!

actually, turns out God "God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury."

Moses and Joshua may have actually been talking 2 wheel triumphs, as,

"the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills."
"Joshua's Triumph was heard throughout the land."

(Better for Spridget owners to stomach anyway)

and of course in the Psalms the almighty urges us to "pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm." - Psalm 83:15

and finally the disciples were all in one accord.
:crazyeyes:
 
Now you're scarin' me, JP. :smirk:
 
I'm a live and let live kind of Christian, But we are not talking about some old Chevy. Those were British cars!
 
DrEntropy said:
Now you're scarin' me, JP. :smirk:

It's about time - now we're even :devilgrin:
 
Two things I'd like to point out that I feel are worth mentioning since we're on the subject.

A.) Forgivness doesn't mean fellowship. (just cause you forgive 'em doesn't mean you gotta give 'em another chance to do it again.)

B.) Careful taking on other folks offenses. Let's say I go and kick Doc squa' in the rear and JP gets mad at me. Doc forgives me but JPc doesn't, and JP holds it against me for the rest of his life. Well, JP ~CAN'T~ forgive me as I didn't do anything to him, only Doc. Therefore, Doc is the only one who can truely forgive me. Jp can hold it against me, but he can't forgive me. It'll eat at him for the rest of his life cause he 'll never get freef rom it cause it doesn't belong to him.

I say this only cause I had problems with both of these things for years and in the hopes of it might possibly help somoene out.

Now, where's Doc hidin'? :jester:
 
kellysguy said:
Jp can hold it against me, but he can't forgive me. It'll eat at him for the rest of his life cause he 'll never get freef rom it cause it doesn't belong to him.

you'd like that wouldn't you :madder:

seriously good point - thanks
 
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