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Still no workie....NEED HELP

lbc_newbie said:
BillM is putting on his Super Suit and coming over to help me out on this. We will take all of this into account, I'm sure.

Do remember, I have an RB Midget, but it has a 1300.


Excellent !!! Tha calvary is on it's way.

Hang in there bro, don't get overwhelmed. It's just stupid minor crap. Things like this happen all the time......even to 3rg gen A.S.E Master Techs w/ 30+ years exp...TRUST ME !!!!!

Too bad I live so far away, sounds like fun.



....when you say 1300, you mean 1275 or the 1300 Triumph engine?
 
RickB said:
lbc_newbie said:
RickB said:
Heh - I have a nice navy blue shirt with white lettering I was planning to wear :wink:

Does that count?

We can ALL <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">dress up and pretend we know what we're doing</span></span>! :banana:

:iagree: . . . I'm up for that!!! . . . :iagree:


I do that every morning when I wake up until I go to bed at night. It's been working for me for 45 years!! LOL :laugh:
 
I've never heard this about VW's. Are you saying the plug wire locations on the VW dist cap are NOT all at 90 degrees to each other?

We are in agreement about the distributor timing about where he needs to start looking.
 
Colin8 said:
I've never heard this about VW's. Are you saying the plug wire locations on the VW dist cap are NOT all at 90 degrees to each other?

We are in agreement about the distributor timing about where he needs to start looking.

No, the point lobe for #3 was retarded slightly by a few degrees on "old" VW's. The oil cooler was directly in the path of air for #3 so it ran hotter. They retarded the timing a bit for #3 but it didn't help much. Then they moved the cooler out of the doghouse and it had it's own ducted air supply on later models.

The Buick cap jumped a few terminals.
 
lesingepsycho said:
This is a long shot, out of the blue stab at something that may have been overlooked; When I bought my Mallory Dual Point (15 years ago), I remember that I had to have the drive dog removed from another dizzy and I took the Mallory to a machinist to have him drill and install the new/old drive dog. Now, keeping in mind that the drive dog has offset ears, is it possible that the drive dog was installed 180 degrees out of phase on the distributor shaft itself? Just a thought.

JACK

You nailed it, Jack. I had this drive dog so far off the mark it would have never started. I worked with a guy named Barney Gaylord "MGAGuru" Not sure if you guys have heard of him. We exchanged emails and photos and I got the shaft redrilled to what I believe (and Barney confirmed) to be correct. We'll see how things go tomorrow! Thanks for putting the thought out there, Jack. :thumbsup:

https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig103.htm
 
lbc_newbie said:
lesingepsycho said:
This is a long shot, out of the blue stab at something that may have been overlooked; When I bought my Mallory Dual Point (15 years ago), I remember that I had to have the drive dog removed from another dizzy and I took the Mallory to a machinist to have him drill and install the new/old drive dog. Now, keeping in mind that the drive dog has offset ears, is it possible that the drive dog was installed 180 degrees out of phase on the distributor shaft itself? Just a thought.

JACK

You nailed it, Jack. I had this drive dog so far off the mark it would have never started. I worked with a guy named Barney Gaylord "MGAGuru" Not sure if you guys have heard of him. We exchanged emails and photos and I got the shaft redrilled to what I believe (and Barney confirmed) to be correct. We'll see how things go tomorrow! Thanks for putting the thought out there, Jack. :thumbsup:

https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/ignition/ig103.htm

Still not responsible for no spark to the plugs. All you had to do was move the wires 180 around on the cap instead.

You can pull the dizzy out of the car, ground it and spin it by hand and it'll light the plugs. Dog position doesn't matter for spark output to the plugs.

Yes, it was a problem you would have needed to correct in some way.

NO, it is NOT responsible for no spark at the plugs.

KEEP LOOKING !!!!

Are you saying the brand new dizzy comes with NO hole drilled for the drive.....and you have to drill you own hole ?!?!?!?!?!? :hammer:
 
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]Check to make sure the distributor is properly timed to the engine: i.e. is the rotor pointing in the correct direction toward the cap terminal of the corresponding cylinder when that cyl is at TDC on the compression stroke?[/QUOTE]
Well crap, my idea was right the first time, but I didn't get the credit. :cry:
Glad to hear you're on the right track. :banana:
 
I'll bet a few of us know the drill by now, lets see - I think it goes something like this...

1. it won't run
2. screw around with everything until -
3. everything is all screwed up
4. find the original problem
5. spend a lot of time fixing all the things you fixed between #1 and #4

:jester:
 
RickB said:
I'll bet a few of us know the drill by now, lets see - I think it goes something like this...

1. it won't run
2. screw around with everything until -
3. everything is all screwed up
4. find the original problem
5. spend a lot of time fixing all the things you fixed between #1 and #4



:jester:
:lol: :cheers:
 
Well, I'm glad I helped you find <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> problem, but, I have to admit that kellysguy is also correct; The drivedog position will not affect whether or not there is a spark, only "where" it occurs. So make sure that at TDC, the terminal that the rotor is pointing to, wherever that may be, is leading to Cyl. #1.

kellysguy: It is in fact true that the Mallory Dual Point Distributor does NOT come with a drivedog installed, nor drilled for its location. The instructions suggest taking your old distributor and the new Mallory to a machinist for drilling/swap/installation.

Colin: I'm happy to share credit with you as what I was suggesting was in fact related to timing the distributor to the camshaft. :wink:

Sounds like you guys will have some fun tomorrow. If Portland were slightly closer, I'd be there! :driving:

:cheers:

JACK
 
lbc_newbie said:
Colin8 said:
If you have spark at the coil and to the dist center terminal, then the problem is in the path from the center terminal of the cap through the rotor and into the cylinder terminal of the cap. Or all the plug wires are bad - not likely.

Check to make sure the distributor is properly timed to the engine: i.e. is the rotor pointing in the correct direction toward the cap terminal of the corresponding cylinder when that cyl is at TDC on the compression stroke? If it IS, then the only think left is a bad rotor or bad cap.

Has the distributor drive shaft been removed? It must be correctly timed with the camshaft. The distributor can only engage with the drive shaft one way, but if the shaft can easily be engaged with the cam incorrectly.


The rotor is pointing to the correct cylinder. It was installed at TDC on the compression stroke.

.

Colin8, In your defense, he said it was all correct when you asked.

That is INSANE you have to drill your own hole. I wonder why?

Might as well sell round steel stock as a high performance cam.

In my VB catalog it just states "Midget Sprite" for application on this dizzy. Are these interchangable b/w the Triumph 1500 and the A series?
 
Well, I don't know if they are interchangeable between A-series and 1500 but they almost certainly sell the dizzy that way because it fits multiple applications.

JACK
 
I figured as much but more along the lines of different pin diameter. I know ther is a datsun dizzy that's a direct swap for Triumph. I've sold lots of superceeded #'s over the years but have I ever seen beat-to-fit, paint-to-match on such a critical and $$$ piece. :hammer: :pukeface: What a nightmare, once you drill it..... you own it......and better get it straight and the right dia... :cryin: :angel: :pukeface:
 
kellysguy said:
lbc_newbie said:
Colin8 said:
If you have spark at the coil and to the dist center terminal, then the problem is in the path from the center terminal of the cap through the rotor and into the cylinder terminal of the cap. Or all the plug wires are bad - not likely.

Check to make sure the distributor is properly timed to the engine: i.e. is the rotor pointing in the correct direction toward the cap terminal of the corresponding cylinder when that cyl is at TDC on the compression stroke? If it IS, then the only think left is a bad rotor or bad cap.

Has the distributor drive shaft been removed? It must be correctly timed with the camshaft. The distributor can only engage with the drive shaft one way, but if the shaft can easily be engaged with the cam incorrectly.


The rotor is pointing to the correct cylinder. It was installed at TDC on the compression stroke.

.

Colin8, In your defense, he said it was all correct when you asked.

That is INSANE you have to drill your own hole. I wonder why?

Might as well sell round steel stock as a high performance cam.

In my VB catalog it just states "Midget Sprite" for application on this dizzy. Are these interchangable b/w the Triumph 1500 and the A series?

To clarify....the rotor was pointing to around 3:30 prior to re-drilling. Now it is pointing to more like 1:30. I was not 180 degrees off, but maybe 60. We'll know more tomorrow. Next time I'll leave a trail of bread crumbs and document everything more accurately. It's hard to recall everything that we did exactly. Like RickB said...

1. it won't run
2. screw around with everything until -
3. everything is all screwed up
4. find the original problem
5. spend a lot of time fixing all the things you fixed between #1 and #4
 
"That is INSANE you have to drill your own hole. I wonder why?

Might as well sell round steel stock as a high performance cam.

In my VB catalog it just states "Midget Sprite" for application on this dizzy. Are these interchangable b/w the Triumph 1500 and the A series? "

Just to clarify something else....I have a 78 with a 1275 built to a 1300. Not a 1500.

Thanks for all the stimulating conversation! I'll report out after the mini O.S.H.I.T. tomorrow.
 
lbc_newbie said:
kellysguy said:
lbc_newbie said:
Colin8 said:
If you have spark at the coil and to the dist center terminal, then the problem is in the path from the center terminal of the cap through the rotor and into the cylinder terminal of the cap. Or all the plug wires are bad - not likely.

Check to make sure the distributor is properly timed to the engine: i.e. is the rotor pointing in the correct direction toward the cap terminal of the corresponding cylinder when that cyl is at TDC on the compression stroke? If it IS, then the only think left is a bad rotor or bad cap.

Has the distributor drive shaft been removed? It must be correctly timed with the camshaft. The distributor can only engage with the drive shaft one way, but if the shaft can easily be engaged with the cam incorrectly.


The rotor is pointing to the correct cylinder. It was installed at TDC on the compression stroke.

.

Colin8, In your defense, he said it was all correct when you asked.

That is INSANE you have to drill your own hole. I wonder why?

Might as well sell round steel stock as a high performance cam.

In my VB catalog it just states "Midget Sprite" for application on this dizzy. Are these interchangable b/w the Triumph 1500 and the A series?

To clarify....the rotor was pointing to around 3:30 prior to re-drilling. Now it is pointing to more like 1:30. I was not 180 degrees off, but maybe 60. We'll know more tomorrow. Next time I'll leave a trail of bread crumbs and document everything more accurately. It's hard to recall everything that we did exactly. Like RickB said...

1. it won't run
2. screw around with everything until -
3. everything is all screwed up
4. find the original problem
5. spend a lot of time fixing all the things you fixed between #1 and #4

As long as #1 wire was at 3:30 you were o.k. It doesn't matter what "time" it is.
 
Ed, we don't set the clocks back till Sunday!!
 
lbc_newbie said:
Can't start drinkin' til 5 though. But then again, it's 5 o'clock somewhere.... :thirsty:

You gotta get yerself some Jimmy Buffett CD's!!! :thumbsup:
 
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