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Spitfire Spitfire Springs

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Does anyone know if there were two different types of Spitfire springs out there? Or if the springs in a GT6 are thicker? Can they be used?

I notice there are two part numbers on the parts list of a popular british car part retailer. One for '71-'74, the other '75-'78.

I am interested in getting new springs, and chroming them. I'm also not interested in the car being low. Stock height or slightly higher is wanted.

Anyone have used ones?

Thanks.

Adam H.
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1972 Triumph Spitfire.
 
bearing in mind the gt6 spring has to support heavier engine,putting into spit without 2l or 2.5 is questionable.the front end would be higher,and suspension geometry would need adjusting,plus the car could well end up being slightly unstable. any height differance at front would have affect on rear, aswell as braking etc.
 
Chroming springs is a bad idea.

Dave
 
Dave - just guessing here, but is it a bad idea since the springs would flex and compress and the chrome would crack?
 
Well, Andy, yes. That part is true. However, the chroming process weakens the spring and makes it more brittle and prone to breakage. A better idea would be to powdercoat the springs a silver color. That's a safe alternative.

Dave
 
Thank you for the replies.

I have had chrome springs on my previous '78. They did not break, or crack, or weaken - they simply looked awesome.

How do you think chroming would weaken the springs? There's no heat involved.

I suppose I am looking for GT6 springs. They were about one inch higher than the Spitfire springs(ride height), and were noticeably thicker.

I appreciate any ideas - I am growing tired of my tires rubbing the front fender while entering my driveway, and the exhaust scraping speedbumps!

Does anyone know if GT6 springs are thicker that Spitfire?


Adam H.
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1972 Triumph Spitfire.
 
there are spacers available that are placed between top spring cup,and chassis mount, these come in three sizes,so maybe you could keep same spring rate and custom set ride height.moss europe stock them, sure they would be available elsewhere.what size tires are you using? is the exhaust fitted well? there is a recess for exhaust, alot of exhaust's do not fit aswell as they should.
 
Thanks, CJM.


Maybe I will go with new stock springs, but the adjustable height Spax shocks.

Adam H.
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1972 Triumph Spitfire.
 
P.S.

Tires are stock size, P155, and only rub while entering a driveway, the exhaust is 4-1 header with a simple glass pack on the end. It's just that I'm 6'1", 220lbs(Typical Spifire owner), and when I ride with my friends, this car is LOW.

I've just had enough of the sagging stock springs. I will be getting a new rear spring as well. It has the typical tendency to lean to the driver's side(not too bad), but it is low as well.

Thanks for the ideas.

Adam H.
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1972 Triumph Spitfire.
 
Adam,

The chroming process causes hydrogen embrittlement. Do what you want. It's your car. It's your life. I just don't advocate chroming springs. It's a bad idea. Here's some more info from the NHRA website.

Racing Technology
All that glitters

by Wayne Scraba


If you have considered chroming a bunch of parts on your race car, give this some thought: Chrome plate may be hazardous to a racer's health.

Almost any metal can be chrome plated, and that includes antique "pot metal," common carbon steel, even aluminum. Prior to plating, the metal must be completely cleaned. In most cases, this involves immersion in a hot alkaline solution. Components that were previously plated, such as bumpers, have to be "unplated" — a process that involves immersion in a tank containing sulfuric acid. Direct current is applied, and the old plate is drawn into a lead cathode. If the part is rusty, it's placed in a tank containing hydrochloric acid, sometimes referred to as the "acid pickling" tank. Unfortunately, the extensive use of corrosive and caustic chemicals can have a drastic effect on diecast components. If handled without care, they simply disappear into the acid bath.

Following the various stripping processes, the component is buffed. The buffing procedure smoothes the surface, removing high and low spots and giving the surface a high luster or sheen. This is the key to good chrome plating; if the buffing job lacks detail, so will the final chrome plate.

After the buff job, the component is copper plated, or, more properly, copper "electro-plated." The part requiring plating is centered in a special tank that contains a mixture of cuprous cyanide, sodium cyanide, and sodium thiosulfate. Heated to precisely 104 degrees Fahrenheit, the tank is charged with DC current. Depending on the construction or condition of the part, it must remain in this environment for approximately 20 minutes (longer if it is heavily pitted or previously corroded). The part is then removed from the tank, completely rinsed, and repolished. The buffing or polishing stage is critical. If the finish is not perfect, the final product will be flawed.

The nickel-plate job
The next stop for the part is the nickel tank, where it will spend approximately 30 minutes. The most common bath, called Watts Composition, is a mixture of nickel chloride, nickel sulfate, boric acid, and other small composites. Repolishing is not necessary and is usually not possible at this stage because the nickel plate is very thin (about .001-inch). The part is rinsed and readied for a final bath in the chrome tank.

Generally, the part will look perfect after leaving the nickel tank. The use of chrome is only for protection; it prevents the nickel from tarnishing. The chemical solution in the chrome tank includes sulfuric acid and chromic acid — another not-so-pleasant combination! The final chrome plate is extremely thin (approximately 40-millionths of an inch), but, as mentioned, it is necessary to prevent the nickel plate from tarnishing.

The decorative-plating dilemma
Unfortunately, all is not bliss with chrome plate, and this is particularly important when it comes to race cars. Decorative chroming creates a by-product called hydrogen embrittlement. Due to the use of various forms of acid during the cleaning stages of chrome plating, a hydrogen by-product is released into the tank which is then absorbed by the metal part being cleaned. Additionally, some theories regarding the problem revolve around the electrolytic process. When a current is applied to a parent metal, it too can create brittleness. As the name implies, hydrogen embrittlement causes the parent metal to become brittle, and eventually it can crack under stress.

Heat treating
Some methods of heat treating lessen the chance of hydrogen embrittlement, but they are only Band-Aid fixes. The most common heat-treating process involves baking the chrome-plated part in a special oven at approximately 375 to 400 F for a predetermined time. Theory has it that the heat pulls the free hydrogen atoms from the metal pores, reducing the chance of embrittlement.

With this in mind, it becomes very clear that chrome plating of load-bearing members isn't too desirable. Springs, stressed suspension components, steering parts, and so on should never be chrome plated. Leave the suspension flash to the modified show cars and consider spending your hard-earned dollars on other areas of the race car.

An inexpensive alternative
If you need some form of tough external protection for various pieces on your race car, consider powder coating. Powder coating, which involves the use of special plastic or epoxy powders that are sprayed onto a subject component with a special spray gun, is a good example of aerospace technology trickling down to the auto enthusiast. As the powder is discharged through the spray gun, it receives a positive electrical charge. The part is given a negative charge, or grounded. Once applied with the powder coat, it is baked in a proprietary oven at 300 to 400 F for approximately 25 minutes so that the powder solidifies.

Obviously, the part must be spotless prior to the powder coat. Stripping it with Redi-Strip, sandblasting, or glass beading will produce a squeaky-clean surface for the powder to adhere to.

The strength factor
The real beauty of powder coating is its inherent durability. With the exception of brake fluid, powder coatings are pretty much impervious to automotive chemical spills. They resist stone chip damage and are considered bullet proof. The only drawback to powder coating is that it cannot be used on a part that will not withstand the baking process. Anything else is fair game. Just remember that the baking process can distort certain critical machined surfaces, so those items may have to be remachined after powder coating.

In terms of color, powder coating is available in a full spectrum, likely extending into the thousands. Custom-mixed colors, including candies, can be made for color-coordinating powder coating with your existing paint scheme or having various chassis and accessory components coated to match factory colors.

You get what you pay for
Just as you would when choosing a painter to spray the finish on your race car, carefully select the outfit that does your powder coating. Some shops skip a few critical steps, like the various chemical baths necessary before the coating. Leaving out a step or two makes for a quicker turnaround; it also makes the coating job more vulnerable to chipping and flaking.

Another point to consider is the finished product. I've found that some powder-coating jobs have plenty of orange peel. Usually it boils down to the integrity of the shop.
 
Here's the text of a message I kept from John Kipping regarding the rear springs.

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All Spitfire IV and 1500 use the same rear spring part number, so long shaft
cars sit lower than short shaft ones. When I was having them remade I
reckoned the standard part number was too soft so I upped the rating - this
meant long shaft cars sat up more and it was OK for a late GT6 III which had
a harder spring as original, however it meant that short shaft cars sat too
high so.....I had a lower one made for shaft shaft Spitfires and anybody who
wanted a lowered long shaft car. I gave the harder spring the GT6 part
number and the softer one the Spitfire number. It then turned out the harder
spring was suitable for short shaft Heralds etc etc.
John Kipping
 
presumably Adam you are using standard springs,180lbsin? the recommended (for regular use) fit is 330lbsin(variable to 660lb?),fitted lenght 7.25in.apparently moss europe have revised spacers-short above spring 0.375in-medium below spring 0.875-long below spring 1.25in.part no's-tt4404,tt4405 & tt4406.interesting pics attached of avo rear set-up,never used this myself,might be of interest.
 

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