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paul161, impressive flight characteristics, equally impressive is the stamina of that pilot, the likelihood of that and most of the new tech aircraft getting into a convention dog fight are non existent, and lots of other ways to nock em out of the sky, who ever gets who will never even see the other guy.
 
Pretty cool, I wonder how much fuel was burned in that little display? In the 70's, the tomcat could target and destroy an aircraft at 90 or so miles and the other guy would probably not even see it coming down on him. I am sure things have gotten much better.

Push come to shove, we could always put the nukes back on the surface to air missiles, otherwise know a shoot and run the other way.
 
Wow! That was cool!

That flat spin (in a jet!) was amazing!

And to think, I was saving up my money for a cruddy ~MiG 21~
But this thing is so much cooler.

<span style="font-size: 8pt"> I'm guessing a fuel-burn of 500 gallons per hour...at least</span>
 
anthony7777 said:
tr6oldtimer, we shoot satellites dont we? :thumbsup:
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Yep we do, but they are not maneuvering, nor do they have counter measures, nor are they shooting back, and usually with airplanes, there a bunch of them.
 
aeronca65t said:
Wow! That was cool!

That flat spin (in a jet!) was amazing!

And to think, I was saving up my money for a cruddy ~MiG 21~
But this thing is so much cooler.

<span style="font-size: 8pt"> I'm guessing a fuel-burn of 500 gallons per hour...at least</span>
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:lol:

Yeah, me too Nial. Figger'd a catapult inna back yard oughta get me airborne. Haven't figger'd out th' "recovery" proceedure yet. Mebbe a STOVL would solve that. :jester:
 
Interesting that the smoke was RED!
 
I'm no engineer, but that plane didn't look like it had any stealth design to it. Radar lock, you're done!
 
I saw the SU37 do the Super Cobra and Kulbit moves at the Farnborough air show back in the 90's. We were there on a trade day that was not open to the public and it got the attention of some F18 Pilots who were in our group.

I'm not qualified to say how useful it is in dog-fighting, but it was seriously impressive to watch.
 
anthony7777 said:
... the likelihood of that and most of the new tech aircraft getting into a convention dog fight are non existent, and lots of other ways to nock em out of the sky, who ever gets who will never even see the other guy.
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There’s a familiar quote. Let’s see, who was that?

Oh yeah, Pentagon planners circa 1960, the ones that decided that F4 Phantoms didn’t need guns.


PC.
 
TRDejaVu said:
I saw the SU37 do the Super Cobra and Kulbit moves at the Farnborough air show back in the 90's. We were there on a trade day that was not open to the public and it got the attention of some F18 Pilots who were in our group.

I'm not qualified to say how useful it is in dog-fighting, but it was seriously impressive to watch.
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Aside from many other maneuvers, any jet fighter that can slam it's brakes on from max speed and recover in an instant has a definite advantage. If your on his tail setting up, you'll be in front of him before you could collect your thoughts. And, that's not where you want to be. That's where you have to study and know your opponents aircraft as well as your own.
 
I was watching a special on the Raptor going up against several F-15s. All were taken down before they even saw the Raptor on radar.
 
The link I gave seems to have left out a very important aircraft in modern history. The swept wing F9F/F9 Cougar. It was the upgrade for the F9 straight wing Panther. The Cougar was such a good aircraft in its heyday that after they were replaced on carriers with more modern aircraft, the Navy ordered hundreds of them with two seats to be used as advanced trainers. I believe the F9F Cougar and the F86 were two of the toughest built aircraft during the Korean period. They both could take tremendous punishment.

F9F Panther,

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F9F/F9 Cougar, Photo ship illustrated.


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Re. the Raptor website. "The F-22 has the ability to cruise at supersonic speeds."

There are very few aircraft that can achieve that, but the EE Lightning was able to do it back in the 1950's, although it required constant topping up as it didn't have much range.
 
As for fuel burn--
I used to crew fighters in the USAF and our F-104's (one engine) burned about 1200 gallons/hour,
Our F-4's (twice the number of engines and twice the weight) burned about 2500 gallons/hour.
These were being used for astronaut training at Edwards so they were horsing them a bit but that was about average with the F-4's in Germany too.
Bill
 
pc, that is true, i never said take away any of our capabilities, additionaly their misjudgment as far as im concerned extended far beyond the armament of our aircraft, ah "wizz kids" what ya going to do with em?
 
TRDejaVu said:
Re. the Raptor website. "The F-22 has the ability to cruise at supersonic speeds."

There are very few aircraft that can achieve that, but the EE Lightning was able to do it back in the 1950's, although it required constant topping up as it didn't have much range.
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My all time favorite plane usually flew at mach 3.2. One of the sexiest and at the same time evil looking planes I've ever seen. Hard to believe it was designed with slide rules and I believe still holds many speed records 40 years later. No introduction needed.
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