"Something" has always been "here".

[weewillie]

It's like this Billy, if it takes 2 men 4 days to dig a hole how long will it take 4 men to dig half a hole.

 

[PAUL161]

Hmmm, Time? What is time? Let's see, how long would it take to reach the end of space? Is there an end in space? I thought I'd like to fly there some day, problem is, it'll take too much gas and a lot of time plus at todays prices, it's out of the budget! Oh well, another time? PJ

 

[Guest]

It's like this Billy, if it takes 2 men 4 days to dig a hole how long will it take 4 men to dig half a hole.

Can't dig half a hole.

I'll bet you $100 I know where you got your shoes. :wink:

 

[Mickey Richaud]

Can't dig half a hole.

I'll bet you $100 I know where you got your shoes. :wink:

I know where I got mine...

 

[Guest]

I know where I got mine...

I knew if any here did it was you. :eagerness:

 

[weewillie]

at the moment Billy they are NOT on my feet :highly_amused:

 

[Guest]

at the moment Billy they are NOT on my feet :highly_amused:

Well then you got 'em in your house, pay up sucker! layful:

 

[weewillie]

Canadian tire money do?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

In the end, the only plausible explanation is that the universe is nothing more than a computer simulation, and all the various human religions and philosophies with their myriad contradictions and mysteries are just so many bits in the program... no answers possible, no answers necessary:

 

[NutmegCT]

Yep - we're all a computer simulation.

Scary part is, it's running on Windows 8.

<ducks and runs>

 

[DrEntropy]

eeep.

 

[DNK]

.. On the big bang, "everything" was already here just not in it's present state.

Not really

 

[Guest]

Not really

Oh really? Where was it then, Seattle? :highly_amused:


Please explain. (BTW, when I say "here", I'm talking about the entire 'verse, not just our SS.

 

[DrEntropy]

As it stands now: "Neither created nor destroyed."

Unambiguous.

"It's turtles all the way down!"

The only fly in this ointment is string theory, but the "neighbors" haven't checked in yet...

 

[Guest]

As it stands now: "Neither created nor destroyed."

Unambiguous.

"It's turtles all the way down!"

The only fly in this ointment is string theory, but the "neighbors" haven't checked in yet...

It's more problematic than most folks in science think. String theory gives credit to thoughts some folks want to dismiss. That's all I'll say about that. :wink:



I'm glad you mentioned string as this goes back to what I said earlier about the only way for time to stop. To over simplify, all movement would have to cease including atomic and sub atomic particles no matter how small they may be. At this point everything is no longer anything like it was if it still is anything at all (read "void and without form"). So basically "the world" would have to end in order for time to stop.

Here's the kicker, if that did happen, there is now no movement or energy left to ever get things started again (as we took that away to stop time). Whatever state that may be left is now eternally destined to stay that way forever...but forever/eternity is a measure of time.

 

[Guest]

As it stands now: "Neither created nor destroyed."

Unambiguous.

Exactly, fries my brain. (which probably isn't hard to do)

 

[BustedKnuckles]

As it stands now: "Neither created nor destroyed."

Unambiguous.

But its FORM be changed. Consider that the occurance (recurrance) of a big bang may depend on a state or behavior of matter/energy of which we are completely unaware just as we were unaware of the possibility of time-space just a few decades ago.

 

[Guest]

But its FORM be changed. Consider that the occurance (recurrance) of a big bang may depend on a state or behavior of matter/energy of which we are completely unaware just as we were unaware of the possibility of time-space just a few decades ago.

Right, no one is saying it can't be changed, rather "something" has always been here in some shape or form and by current thinking can neither be created nor destroyed.

"Something" can't come from nothing. Whether you're bangin' or not nor how many times isn't the point. "Something" had to be here before it blew up, otherwise nothing exploded and created everything....

If you're not in the bangin' camp, then "something" made everything before anything was here.


No matter how you slice it. "something" has "always been and ever shall be".


I'd also like to add that at "the end of time" (and don't forget any sort of motion as well), nothing can't explode and form anything even if isn't.

This is fun, I'm really enjoying this.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

"...Something" can't come from nothing...otherwise nothing exploded..."

...and my point is that where you see "nothing", there may exist something that you have not yet learned to recognize. Example? Dark matter...the newest of the until-recently undiscovered discoveries. It seems that 96% of the universe is dark matter and dark energy, and until 20-some years ago, no one even theorized that it existed.

"...and created everything..."

...but if "something" (matter, energy) that existed in a form you can't yet recognize suddenly changed to another form ("exploded", "made a big bang" as you define it), everything that you contend was created by that change of form wasn't really "created" at all. It already existed, was already there, wherever "there" is. It was just in a form that you have not yet learned to see and it was simply changed into a form that you CAN see and recognize.

 

[AN5Sprite]