• Hi Guest!
    You can help ensure that British Car Forum (BCF) continues to provide a great place to engage in the British car hobby! If you find BCF a beneficial community, please consider supporting our efforts with a subscription.

    There are some perks with a member upgrade!
    **Upgrade Now**
    (PS: Subscribers don't see this gawd-aweful banner
Tips
Tips

Saw the Black Shark today

Bret

Yoda
Offline
Ok I finally saw got to see the Porsche 928 that I was talking about in my other thread. (See: Speaking of Porsches )

All & all she looks pretty nice, although cosmetically she has a few rough edges.

The exterior has no visible rust, no structural damage and doesn’t seem to have any bondo (but then I can’t be sure as I didn’t have a magnet). Paint has some minor scraps, dings, swirls & a bit of haze in areas, but it isn’t faded or oxidized at all. Most of it looks as if it can be fixed pretty easily with a good buffing out, but I’m not really a paint & body man. The Porsche Gotti Alloy Wheels – where a special order by the original owner, but are rough and showing their age. So much so I’d either have to have them cleaned up or replaced. But for now they'll be good enough.

The interior looked pretty good. The seats where in fantastic shape & covered with rich thick leather & had perforated in the center panels and where heavily bolstered (small butts need not apply). The only thing I’d probably do is replace the rather tired looking carpet. Almost all the switches & gauges work fine with the exception of two. The first was the dash gauges dimmer switch that is non functional and just needs replacement. The seller seems to think he can swap it for the pop up lights "pitch switch" as it isn’t used on US vehicles because the law says that the lights have to be fixed. The other was the A/C slide control (common problem from what I’ve read) but the good news is that it blows ice so if I fix it I’ll be cruising in comfort. Pleasant surprise when you consider I didn’t know it had A/C at all.

I couldn’t find anything out of the ordinary mechanically. The test drive was pretty cool – loads of power, fantastic sound, great throttle response. Steering was tight & smooth at speed felt pretty sure footed. At low speed it was equally pleasant to drive without any bumps, rattles or squeaks as I traversed the parking lot speed bumps. Once I got used to the Porsche 5-speed I had her up to 80MPH with little effort and she never felt flat or as if she was at a loss for power. That’s when the seller told me he’d had it up to 140MPH!

I did scrutinize his records and from what I could tell most of the major wear items (timing belt, clutch redo etc) had all been replaced in recent years as well as a consistent number of passed bi-annual passed smog inspection reports. The engine bay is not pristine, but there isn’t any oil or grease built up anywhere to be found. He also showed me a pretty cool Cat bypass tube that he says can easily be swapped out and returned when a smog test is due.

Honestly the price ain’t that bad for what seems to be a solid car and I am seriously considering it. But I’d like to see some of the minor things fixed or at lease haggled out of the price.


0ty2vmfhudsxprcydtfj7lfcctli.jpg
220oxaag3cacre0oltva4rrpqfcq.jpg
op2m3jduj0sfqedaawtmv9im8cgu.jpg
 
You don't know it, but you've already bought it! How do I know? You named it...."Black Shark"....good name! Nice looking car

Wonder how many of us who profess to love LBC's also have a 'hankering' for German cars? I do with my 380SL!
 
Shark is a nickname for 928's, so he really just described it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

They can be very addicting to drive though. The exhaust makes a very satisfying rumble. Actually, I would really like my TR8 to make the same sort of rumble. My stepdads 928 has nearly 200K miles and its is still rattle and squeak free. They are weighty though. Bret will definitely feel how light on its feet his B is if he drives them back to back.

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
Shark is a nickname for 928's

[/ QUOTE ]

Ah, didn't know that.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Shark is a nickname for 928's

[/ QUOTE ]

Ah, didn't know that.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not many do outside of 928 circles. Personally, I don't really see the resemblence. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
 
I think he already bought it too... not from naming/describing it. But the way he worded everything. I already want it too. Sounds like a good find Bret! Throw him an offer (whatever you're willing to spend on it), and see what happens. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Shark is a nickname for 928's

[/ QUOTE ]

Ah, didn't know that.

[/ QUOTE ]

So does that mean I'm safe from a commitment then Tony? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

And Shawn's correct about the difference between the Shark and the B. I just got back from a short drive and the difference is significant. While the Porsche felt much heavier than the B, it never felt like a lumbering hulk or detached from the road. By the same token the shark had more than enough power to violently propel itself down the road better than most anything I’ve driven in a long time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
 
The 928 was supposed to be Porsche's new flagship when the introduced it in the late 70's. Eventually though, they went back to the 911 because of flak from the porsche enthusiasts. Or so I've read. Apparently the 928 will outperform a 911 of the same era though. (again I might just be spreading rumors here) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
You don't know it, but you've already bought it! How do I know? You named it...."Black Shark"....good name! Nice looking car

Wonder how many of us who profess to love LBC's also have a 'hankering' for German cars? I do with my 380SL!

[/ QUOTE ]

I too have a thing for German cars. I have a BMW 5-series wagon as a daily driver, and I would love an SL or an SLC Benz. Mind you, the 6-series BMW Coupes are pretty tasty as well. Had a 325is, loved it but it didn't half swap ends easily!
 
No rumors to it Kenny, the 928 could and did out perform their contemporary 911 cousins. Both on a road coarse & in a drag race the 928 would normally come out on top.

Likewise as you said the 928 was intended to be their flagship, but IMHO it was never really given the chance Porsche enthusiasts. But then I’m not sure Porsche really expected 911 pilots to make the change. So I don’t blame them for its demise – just it’s undervaluing in the collector marketplace.

The story goes (as I've come to understand it) – that the Porsche 928 (as was the other front engine RWD cars) was more the result of stricter safety & emissions regulations in the North American market than it was anything else. Some at Porsche figured that as they where trying to meet US regulations that the domestics (GM, FORD & Chrysler) would have an advantage. The 911 with its air cooled rear mounted engine it was feared wouldn’t be able to comply and might even be outlawed outright. Not wishing to withdraw or lose out in the N American marketplace they predicted the worst & started looking at other platform design layouts. Thus the 924, 944, 928 & 968 came to be.

But credit has to be given to the engineers at Porsche because the while the 928 saw great improvements over its 17 years of production – the 911 saw vast improvements too and managed to overcome the safety & emissions issues.
 
just as an fyi:

a magnet isnt a guarantee that there is no bondo. you can embed iron powder in a resin matrix (about 50:50 with talc, any more and its hard to get smooth) and a magnet will stick to it as if it were 100% metal. actually its quite hard to tell its bondo if its done right.

it is a great way to tart up a ropey old car before you get rid of it.
 
Yeah I don't know what I was saying when I mentioned a magnet. Besides it's got rubber body parts that it wouldn't work on anyway.

But as best I can tell (given my lack of knowledge) it seems to be a pretty clean body.

Also probably neither here nor there - but I forgot to mention that while the seller who was showing me his vehicle we got to talking & I discovered that he was a Navy F4 pilot (20 something plus years in uniform) who'd recently retired. In fact there’s still an officers’ base sticker in the window of the car too. Perhaps it’s naïve to think this way - but something tells me that he’s not out unload the vehicle at the expense of a fellow servicemen. But then there’s a leery side of me who wonders if he might have had one or two bad encounters with Jarheads like me. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Things that make you go – hmmm? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
the 6-series BMW Coupes are pretty tasty as well

[/ QUOTE ]

My friend who owns the salvage yard near me has a 633csi that's been sitting for ages...body is pretty rugged albeit no rust, interrior needs redoing..but she runs like a bat out of - well, you get the idea...he's trying to get the title from the owner who abandoned it in his yard...when he does, it comes to my house!
 
Looks like you found one that has good documentation of its service-- that's pretty good these days. I was just about to mention in the other thread (emerging classics) that I read something recently in a car mag that the 928 is one of those classics beginning to be appreciated. The prices are going up, too. About 3-4 years ago I considered one-- it was very nice with good records going for 6 grand but I couldn't pull myself to take the plunge for some reason. Maybe too many other interesting toys available at the time or somethin'. I've seen them crawl up on the price charts since then.
 
Back
Top