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Hey guys, now that I'm starting to understand photography a bit, I'd like to add a tripod to my kit so I can take longer exposure photos.

I had no idea there would be so many decisions to make when buying a tripod, but there are. I don't plan on going racing so I can't see a need for carbon fiber.

What should one look for in a tripod beyond it having no more and no less than three legs?
 
Stability. As inexpensively as possible. Hit eBay again, look at Bogen/Manfrotto used 'pods for best bang for buck. A Manfrotto 725-series would be one recommendation. I got one from an estate sale (eBay listed, 725B) a few months ago and it serves well as a carry around tool. Came with a quick release fitted as a "bonus" too. Under 100 bucks.

There's a thread here with some discussion about those tripods, it may help narrow the decisions.
 
I agree with Doc - but would add... Of course you want to get the best bang for your buck, but at the same time, a good tripod is one area where you don't want to go cheap (inexpensive doesn't necessarily mean "cheap" as in the used Bogen or Manfrotto tripods that Doc mentioned).

Another thing to consider is why and when you might "need" a tripod in the first place. With the capabilities of todays digital cameras, the paradigm has shifted a bit. In the old days, cameras did not have things like In Body Image Stabilization (IBIS) and lenses didn't have optical IS (or they had very crude IS). I forgot what camera you have and what lenses, but if your camera has IBIS or even if your lenses have IS, then the situations where you really need a tripod are going to be less. Also, if you are shooting at shutter speeds sufficiently high, even if you don't have IS, then the need for a tripod is lessened. Generally (crude rule of thumb), if you don't have any IS, but your shutter speeds are at 1/[focal length] or faster, you can get acceptably sharp shots hand-held. So, for example, if you are shooting with a 200mm tele lens, then you can usually get by without a tripod if you are shooting at shutter speeds of 1/200 or faster. So, shooting at 1/250th you should be fine hand held (of course you want to observe good camera shooting techniques, elbows in hold breath when you shoot. Press, don't PUSH the shutter, etc). Wider angle lenses are even less susceptible to camera-induced motion blur, so shooting with a 50mm for example, you could get away with 1/60th sec hand-held.

For me, since my camera has IBIS and most of my lenses have IS, I have gotten to the point where my use cases for using a tripod are much less that they used to be. Usually, I'll just shoot hand held unless the lighting is such that I need to shoot at much slower shutter speeds (like dawn or dusk). Of course the longer the lens, the more a tripod will help since any camera motion is amplified at longer focal lengths. With my R5 and an RF lens, I can get up to 8 stops of image stabilization (they claim). What this means in practical terms, is I can bust that 1/[focal length] rule and still get sharp images. Theoretically, if I was shooting at 200mm, I'd want to shoot at 1/250th or faster. BUT, with 8 stops of IS, I could (again theoretically) shoot 8 stops slower. In reality I don't try to push things that far. I might feel comfortable at maybe 3 stops slower (1/30th). The longer the lens, the more I try to stay close to the rule. One reason I will sometimes use a tripod, even if I'm not worried about image blur, is when I want to take my time composing a scene. When you are using a tripod, you can take your time framing up the image to get it "just right" before you fire the shot. PS: I usually either use a remote trigger or set the camera for a 2 second timer so as not to introduce camera shake from pushing the shutter button. I often use a tripod when I'm shooting birds with a very large lens, just to make it easier on my spindly arms. In this case I use a gimbal head. Of course I always use a tripod when I'm shooting night she scenes.

Of course stability is the main thing you are looking for in a tripod, but other facts should be considered as well:

Weight rating: Are you going to be using the tripod with very large camera / lenses? Look at the weight of your camera and the biggest lens you anticipate using and make sure the tripod and ball head are rated well above that (head is as important as the tripod, maybe more so).

Portability, ease of carry: The kind of tripod you might want in a studio setting is going to be different than what you would want if you plan to carry it on hikes, for example. I know you said you didn't see the need for carbon fiber, but IF you intend to do any hiking with the tripod, then carbon fibre is worth considering - it is very strong and much lighter than aluminum. Just some food for thought, but if I were looking at tripods and could get a decent CF tripod that I could afford, that's what I'd do. Nothing wrong with aluminum, but they just are not going to be as easy to carry.

Height: Many tripods today have a center column that will raise the camera higher. Personally, I prefer a tripod that is high enough for me to use it comfortably (not needing to stoop down too much) without needing to raise the center column. Raising the center column, in most cases, reduces the over all stability of the camera, so getting a tripod that will all the camera to be high enough for YOU without the center column is something to at least consider.

There are a ton of videos on You Tube about what to look for in a tripod (and just as important, a head). Here is one I find pretty good by a guy I follow on YT, Matt Granger,


Lastly: The Manfrottos and Bogen, Gitzo, Really Right Stuff, etc., are all really good quality tripods, and you can get good used copies for "reasonable" money. Also, one you might want to look at that is much less expensive than those (new), is the Sirui brand. B&H and Adorama and most of the big box photo stores sell them. I have a Sirui Carbon Fiber tripod that I absolutely love. It's light, compact and very sturdy. I also have a very compact, light weight Heipi tripod that I use mainly for hiking and when I'm using lighter gear.

Choosing a good tripod to fit your needs can seem a daunting task because there are so many things to consider. Hopefully the video above will help you determine what you need for your particular shooting use cases. Good luck.
 
After some ebay prowling and watching I was offered this Bogen 3011 with a Bogen 3126 head for $50 plus shipping. I jumped on it, and today it arrived. It seems to be in excellent condition, the head moved smoothly and is very stable feeling. The tripod itself is sturdy, and appears well made. One leg does have a small dent on it but that doesn't affect funcionality.
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That's a great tool, Walt. Bit heavy for toting on long hikes but really sturdy. Same fluid head I've got on my studio 'pod. About as well built as they come, it's lasted for decades without issue. And I actually prefer the screw-in controls to the snap style leg locks, a bit of "variable" tension you can choose to apply.

I'd say you did well. πŸ‘
 
Here's a better photo of the tripod. I waited for enough light so I could see what I was doing while setting it up for the first time. I did a couple of longer exposures as the sun was rising, and the images look sharp and without any camera movement on the camera's screen. I'll go through my photos in a bit and see if I got any good ones.

I'll go out one night this week and try some long exposures in low light now that I have set it up and taken it down a couple of time.

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Then a quick pivot to the north to take this one. Very smooth movement of the head and the camera is still in focus.
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I have the 3011 tripod as well. Honestly, I haven't used it in years. Weight as noted above is my main complaint. It does work well though.
 
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