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PVGP BeaverRun

PVGP new pics

OK, that was a neat event!
We parked next to an Ermini for the event (I have never even seen an Ermini before.
Lots of Elvas and Turners. No Bugeyes though!
Wish we could have stayed to see the Shenley Park event in the city.

I broke three axles (is that sorta like a "Three Dog Night"?), but kept fixin' and racin'.

~CLICK HERE~ to view some of my pictures (two samples below).

mccabe_vrg06_6.jpg


mccabe_vrg06_4.jpg
 
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I broke three axles

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I have the number for Winner's Circle if ya want it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yesnod.gif
 
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Somewhat off topic but both Winner's Circle and Acme are out of double bearing hubs - does anyone know another domestic source?
 
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I broke three axles

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I have the number for Winner's Circle if ya want it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yesnod.gif

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That number is on Speed-Dial here. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, I am likely to do the RX-7 axle conversion this Winter. I think I can do it for around $400 or so. This eliminates the cost of double-bearing hubs and race axles (which is a lot more than $400) plus I'll finally have good real seals. And maybe I'll even end up with limited slip and disk brakes to boot (thought the Mazda drums would be a big improvement).
For more info on this conversion, ~GO HERE~> .

Meanwhile, I *think* I may have *tweaked* the rear axle housing when the studs failed (and the wheel came off) at BeaveRun last month. I have several good, spare axle housings, so I'll just slap something together. By the way, I have home-made, double-bearing hubs that I'll use for now, but I've never really been happy with them and had originally planned on buying a "real" set.

I have a one-hour Enduro at Pocono in mid-August, but it's just after we get back from vacation (which is right after my daughter's wedding), so I'm trying to do things on-the-cheap for now.
 
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The Elva uses the same rear end (except a few inches longer hub to hub)

I had no idea when I bought the car that it would require so much cash to put right.

Tran-X LSD = $1,400.00
3.7 Crown & pinion, bearings & seals = $350.00
REM polish = $150.00
Winners Circle axles = $500.00
Double bearing hubs, bearings & seals = $400.00
Axle housing straightening = $200.00
Quantum Mechanics labor = $400.00

$3,400.00 for the rear end???.........Holy **** /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

I kinda wanted to put some cash in the engine /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Somewhat off topic but both Winner's Circle and Acme are out of double bearing hubs - does anyone know another domestic source?

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I didn't even know about Acme......Sorry no help here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Thanks for taking a shot of #80.

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The Daimler??? Don't they have too many pistons to be playing with Spridgets? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nonono.gif
 
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Dave:

Acme Speed Shop at https://www.acmespeedshop.com/

The owner (Hap) is a poster here at BCF. Lotsa neat stuff for Brit cars at Acme.

As for the V-8 Daimler, I'm still figuring out this "classing system" in vintage racing.
I guess they're trying to get cars that have similar overall lap times. That SP-250 was no match for the 1147 cc Spitfire (which had a killer engine with an 8000 RPM redline).
We also had a Chevy V-8 powered Kurtis and similar V-8 Devin as well as the SP-250.
The winner of the Group 2 class was Tivvy Shenton that old Jag XK-140 FHC. Even with skinny tires, wire wheels and the smaller Jag engine (2.8?) he did great job.
I noticed all the smaller cars ('cept mine) were on racing Hoosier slicks but the big-engine cars seemed to generally be on skinny vintage-style rubber.
The "mix" of cars was interesting.....
 
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Nial, I've always thought that first gen RX7 axle swap was worthwhile, expecially considering the cost of aftermarket parts for the spridget axle.

I wonder though, does it afect your classification? I looked up SCCA Production class cars (I've always assumed you run 'H' class production) and under that classification we're required to keep the stock rear axle housing...
 
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Rob:

In EMRA, this rear would be fine and some other groups (including VRG, Midwest Council SCC, etc.) would be OK with it too.
This would not be OK with the SCCA, although I think some regions would let it slide.
SVRA would not allow it for sure.

By the way, here's some professional photos I just got sent (proofs) of the BeaveRun event...somewhere in these pages (there's 23 pages) there's a GT-40 getting hammered hard in the rear by a 914.

~CLICK HERE~

~OR HERE~

~OR HERE~

[edit]-- ~HERE IS~ the page that shows the GT40 getting rammed by a 914
 
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ouch! Looks like the GT40 ate dirt, returned to asphalt when an unsuspecting 914 found a slow moving object in it's path?
 
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In EMRA, this rear would be fine and some other groups (including VRG, Midwest Council SCC, etc.) would be OK with it too.
This would not be OK with the SCCA, although I think some regions would let it slide.
SVRA would not allow it for sure.


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Gotcha. Out here, almost everything I know of is SCCA afiliated....I'm sure there are other organizations, but I sure haven't heard of them....
 
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What about "Southwest Motorsports Club"?......they sound sort of like EMRA. (they race at Sandia...one of the Sunbeam guys here at BCF races with them)

https://www.swms.org/


You're right about the GT-40. He pulled out right in front of the 914 from what I heard (and the pictures seem to bear that out).
 
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You're right, they're independent, but they still use the SCCA GCR for classification/modification regulations.

I've been invited to attend their events before and have been pretty tempted, but my car isn't quite legal for them yet (need that DOM tubing to show up, along with some other safety equipment)
 
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on a related note, I just can't decide if i'd really like to turn this car into a full race car. autocross is one thing, but road race seems like I'm asking for touble. It's still in pretty good shape....

...gotta follow up on that 914...;)
 
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There was a '67 Midget race car for sale on the San Francisco craigslist for $2500.

- Doug
 
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My plan is to convert mine to semi-stock (suspension wise) and get the racy carbs dialed in so that it's comfortable to drive, and leave it at that. Then I'll get a 'dedicated' racer (in rougher shape). However, I've discovered (after competing in a few national autocross events this year) that if you want to be nationally competitive, you pretty much have to have the right car for the class you're in and it has to be a car dedicated to autocross. If you're not interested in national competitiveness, then you can have a hillclimb/autocross car that's reasonably competitive nationally and plenty of fun besides (because you can compete in FSP w/ the midget in hillclimbs/time trials with only a roll-bar and a few other mods).

However, let it be said that I've done the math. In F street prepared, they recently put all A-1 chassis VW's on the same line (meaning they can update and backdate between all models of A-1 chassis). This allows those VW racers who formerly had to stick with the best compromise car (a scirocco) to put a cabriolet engine in a rabbit, and make (with standalone fuel management) an estimated 120 Wheel HP in an approximately 1600 lb car. Once someone actually builds one and wins nationals, I expect they'll promptly undo that stupid rule change. However, let us compare the local (former nationals winning) VW Scirocco. Completely rules legal, it weighs about 1850 lbs and makes 95 WHP (documented). It's currently for sale at https://www.phillyscca.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1695 I have no vested interest in the car, but the details are readily available (and having been beat by about 3.8 seconds at last Sunday's autocross, I can vouch for it's speed).

Unfortunately, out of a 1500 or 1275, we're unlikely to see more than about 75-80 WHP within the Street Prepared rules (I'll verify this with Vizard's book soon). If we look at the listed weight for a 1500, it's 1850 lbs. Assuming the curb weight is exactly accurate, we're down approximately 20 hp and with no weight advantage. The CG is probably a bit lower. However, if we consider a MkI or II sprite/MkI midget, they weigh in the neighborhood of 1450 lbs and you can update to a 1275. This would make for a competitive (although a bit lower) power to weight ratio, but a much more attractive CG height, as well as front to rear weight distribution, etc.

While we're probably not going after nationals right now, this will probably be the car I campaign when I get the time and money to put such a vehicle together (and prepare it properly). It just helps to keep everything in perspective when we're considering extensive modifications to an already heavy car.

On the other hand, if you want to go for road racing, perhaps the car can be made competitive. However, the GCR (unless it was changed in the last two years) states that the 1500 must run with a single 1.5" carb (SU of ZS). This is a big disadvantage on top of the already significant bottom end issues (and therefore max RPM limits) as compared with a 1275 spridget. Just my 2 cents.
 
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In the SCCA, the 1500s are allowed twin carbs atleast on the Spitfire anyway, hardly anyone bothers with 1500 in the Spridget for racing, most everyone runs the 1275. A good SCCA F Production 1275 can put out close to 150 horsepower, with the allowed modified HS4s, ported, polished heads, 1.5 roller rockers trick high cams (.550" at the valve) and really high compression as high as 15 to 1. A vintage racing 1275 can even put a little more as no one checks engine, so you get people that have big bore 1400 cc motors, with big valve and side draft weber carbs. On the new limited prep 1275 that runs in H Production, where we are limited to a .450" cam lift at the valve, stock rocker arms, 11.0 to one compression, only 1" gasket porting on the head, stock HS2s, we're getting real close to 90 horsepower at the rear wheels which is close to 105-108 flywheel horsepower. All of these configerations are on leaded race gas.
 
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Unfortunately, in Street Prepared rules, you can't do a cam change, or basically anything internal-engine. Therefore, we're severely limited in terms of porting, valve lift, etc. Similar to limited prep rules, we're looking at porting only 1" from the mounting surface of the head. Although there are a few minor loopholes (cam must match manufacturer's specifications) which would allow a reprofiled (but still essentially stock) cam, they probably won't amount to more than 5 hp at the wheels, realistically speaking. However, reviewing "Bolt-on Modifications" from Vizard's book, it seems that (except for the modified head -- increase in CR, port/polish) everything he does can be matched, with perhaps a bit more besides in terms of fuel management (can use FI if you can make it work ...) and ignition timing. I'm curious if anyone knows about working on optimizing ignition timing for more power. I think that may yield a few odd horsepower that would help keep up with those darned VW's.
 
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