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TR6 Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

jjbunn

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Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Today saw some success in diagnosing the rough idle on my '71 TR6. One of Randall's suggestions was to replace the capacitor (I already replaced the points), and when I did that it immediately made a huge improvement!

So now the engine idles with the choke in. It's still a little rough, even after I balanced the carbs using my carb balancer tool.

However, the temp gauge still pegs up in the red after a relatively short time. The radiator is getting hot, so I assume the (new) thermostat is working. Could I have a faulty water pump?

I'm not happy with the PO's vacuum connection to the tappet/head cover. There's a hole in the side of the cover, and the hose just sits in it: no real seal at all. Just how airtight does it need to be?

I'm also not happy with the sound of the engine: it sounds a bit rattley. Perhaps it's the tappets? I shall adjust them tomorrow to see.

Continuing my unhappiness, the PO's fuel pump is very poorly positioned, and the fuel hoses to it are bent so that they are almost kinking. Even worse, it's mounted on a rubber strip, which is fine, but the earth lead is secured to what is a bolt that goes through the rubber and makes an intermittent ground!

Once I've used up all the gas in the tank, I'll reposition the pump, electrics and replace the hoses.

Other progress today included replacing the PO's weird extended shift stick with a used one of standard length. Now the new one doesn't foul the steering wheel!

I removed both the seats. These are no-headrest types, and although they look OK from the top side, the undersides tell a different story: the baseboards are broken and in pieces.

With the seats removed and the rails detached, I cleaned out the floorpans of 35 years of grime and dirt.

The electrics continue to give me major head-scratching moments. For example:

1) the indicator switch on the steering column does nothing. It's connected under the dash, and I can measure voltage there, but the lights don't flash. Nor does the Trafficator indicator on the dash. However, the Hazard switch works fine: flashing the lights as required. It must be something simple but I'm darned if I can see the problem. I'm sure it was working when the car first arrived, too!

2) The wires from the light on the right hand front fender have nowhere to plug in to! According to the circuit diagram, and like the left hand side, there should be sockets for the bullet connectors, near the rear of the front turn light, but I can't see them!

3) There are two wires that emerge into the engine compartment, just below the hood latch, from under the dash somewhere. I can't seem to find them on the diagram.

4) There are a couple of other dangling, unconnected wires under the dash.

Rambling on a bit here, I'm afraid.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Color of wires would help Julian
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Hey Julian! I look forward to seeing your progress on this. Which wiring diagram are you using? If you haven't found this already, advance auto wire has accurate wiring diagrams for all model years of TR250 and 6 (look on the left for "stock schematics"). I was pulling my hair out looking through my Hayes manual initially since it was highly inaccurate. Dan Masters' diagrams were a godsend. Hope that helps with identifying mystery wires. Good luck! /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbsup.gif

p.s. I also noticed on your website that you listed the car as having "dual weber stromberg" carburators. I think it's either dual webers or dual zenith strombergs and from your description it sounds like the latter. Not trying to nitpick, just thought I'd point that out.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

jjbunn said:
However, the temp gauge still pegs up in the red after a relatively short time. The radiator is getting hot, so I assume the (new) thermostat is working. Could I have a faulty water pump?
If the pump wasn't working, the radiator wouldn't be hot, especially at the bottom.

Did you check the gauge reading when the thermostat opens, as I suggested ? Could easily be an incorrect gauge reading, especially if the voltage stabilizer isn't working (or is missing/disconnected).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]I'm not happy with the PO's vacuum connection to the tappet/head cover. There's a hole in the side of the cover, and the hose just sits in it: no real seal at all. Just how airtight does it need to be?[/QUOTE]Sounds like some kind of weird retrofit to pass CA smog. An original 'smog' rocker cover has a tube sticking out that the hose fits over. Not really essential that it be air-tight, but from your description it's probably going to leak oil.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]I'm also not happy with the sound of the engine: it sounds a bit rattley. Perhaps it's the tappets? I shall adjust them tomorrow to see.[/QUOTE]Good idea, especially since that may be part of your rough idle problem.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]However, the Hazard switch works fine: flashing the lights as required. It must be something simple[/QUOTE]Wow, you're quite the optimist, aren't you /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
The connections between the turn lamps & the trafficator switch go through the hazard switch, and they are notoriously problematic. It's entirely possible that your trying the hazard switch is what broke the turn signals (same thing happened to me with my Stag, cleaning the hazard switch contacts cured it).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:]4) There are a couple of other dangling, unconnected wires under the dash. [/QUOTE]All part of the fun of buying an old car from someone else ! You get to play detective to figure out what those wires should do (if anything) and what to do about them.

Sorry I didn't make it up to Pasadena to supervise; this week did NOT go as planned. Stag is STILL in the body shop ... fortunately they took pictures that prove that the AWOL chrome strip was there when the car came into the shop. But this makes 3 times now that they've told me the car IS ready, but when I get there (it's 1/2 hour away), it's NOT ready.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

My 71 has a dain plug on the passenger side bottom of the gas tank that can be accessed easily with that wheel off. I would get the fuel level down to a gallon or two then drain the remainder that way...avoid crud getting into the fuel line any more than necessary. U think there must a gaske or seal around this since mine is leaking at the rate of about 1 drip per hour. Enough to stink up the garage and be a fire concern. Also check the rubber lines back to the fuel tank that recirculate fuel vapors. When they rot and crack you end up stinking more!
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

My 71 has a dain plug on the passenger side bottom of the gas tank that can be accessed easily with that wheel off. I would get the fuel level down to a gallon or two then drain the remainder that way...avoid crud getting into the fuel line any more than necessary. U think there must a gaske or seal around this since mine is leaking at the rate of about 1 drip per hour. Enough to stink up the garage and be a fire concern. Also check the rubber lines back to the fuel tank that recirculate fuel vapors. When they rot and crack you end up stinking more!

For #1 check your flasher unit in the footwell on the passenger side somewhere between the door hinge and the firewall. My wires are green and green/white to my flasher but the PO used a lot of this all over the car so I don't know if that is stock. I do know when they were loose I had hazard lights but no turn siganls...tightened them up and problem solved. My hazard switch still has a short that I haven't had time to de-bug. The hazards work 70% of the time but it has no effect on the turn signal in my case.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

buy a mechanical pump and put the other one on the shelf.Its an easy job.Less work that messing with the electric one. Set your valves before going any farther with your tune up.Squirt some penetrant into the switch, Snap the hazard switch on/off several times,TR3 is correct,it can stop the turns from working.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Julian,

It sounds like your 71TR was once owned and maintained
by DPO Pedro's younger brother.

I recently had to replace Pedro's entire failed fuel
supply system from gas tank to carbs. I also installed
an electric pump as an emergency back-up.

Directly coming out of the tank bottom, behind the rear
wheel, I installed a spitcock so I can shut the supply on/off.
It is useful in changing out my pre-pump in-line fuel filter,
draining the gas tank slowly into containers if need be, etc.

I think I paid like $12. for the spitcock. Well worth the money.

FWIW: DPO Pedro did a lot of very creative wiring using
stereo speaker wire.

best of luck,

dale
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Many thanks for all the replies!

1) I'll correct the web page regarding the carb make (they are Zenith Stromberg)

2) The wires emerging into the engine compartment are green and green/brown

3) The gauge reading when the thermostat open is somewhere near the start of the red

4) I adjusted the tappets: they were mostly just right, but a couple were too tight (too small a gap)

5) My flasher unit in the passenger footwell is present and getting voltage.

6) I've read a lot about DPO Pedro, and sincerely hope my PO is no more than a very distant relation to him :smile:

Now the tappets are adjusted (today), there doesn't seem to be any noticeable change in the engine sound or stumbling tickover. There is some other mechanical rattle noise that sounds like something loose. Perhaps I'll make an audio recording of it for you experts to have a listen to :smile:
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Julian, I see on the wiring diagram that GREEN and GREEN/BROWN are wires to the heater fan switch (green is power to, and green/brown is switch to motor) but I'm guessing more likely it is wiring to your wiper motor. The diagram says GREEN and BROWN/LIGHT GREEN go to the wiper motor. Is your wiper motor hooked up?
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

John_Mc said:
Julian, I see on the wiring diagram that GREEN and GREEN/BROWN are wires to the heater fan switch (green is power to, and green/brown is switch to motor) but I'm guessing more likely it is wiring to your wiper motor. The diagram says GREEN and BROWN/LIGHT GREEN go to the wiper motor. Is your wiper motor hooked up?

Yes, the wiper motor is hooked up and working nicely. These wires are emerging on the other side of the firewall, adjacent to the battery box. It must be for something close to the firewall, because they are not long wires, maybe 6" or so.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Julian, what is the comm# of the vehicle?
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

DNK said:
Julian, what is the comm# of the vehicle?

It's 1CP52037LP.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Julian, DAH, it just hit me ,those are the power and the wiring for your reverse lights!!!
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

I think we have another Tinster in our midst. That is a compliment.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

DNK said:
Julian, DAH, it just hit me ,those are the power and the wiring for your reverse lights!!!

Looking at the circuit diagram, I wondered that, too. It is quite possible that when the transmission was replaced, they didn't reconnect the switch.

(I assume that the reverse switch is on the trnasmission, like on the MGB.)

However, the wires seem far too short to reach down there.

I will check when I get home this evening.
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Julian. Mine were not connected either and the switch is on the top of the trans and they enter the tunnel on the passenger side of the hump.
Don
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

DNK said:
Julian. Mine were not connected either and the switch is on the top of the trans and they enter the tunnel on the passenger side of the hump.
Don

I can't seem to find the switch marked on the diagrams I have of the transmission.

Will I need to remove the transmission tunnel cover to gain access to the switch?
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Yes, it is on the top of the "TOP COVER"
It screwed into 1 of the 3 humps shown in the diagram

TOPCOVER.png
 
Re: Progress on the '71 TR6 "La Belge Bloketastic"

Julian,

Here is a photo for your reference. As everyone is well
aware by now, I know very little of these cars and even
less about auto mechanics. But I take good photos.

Removing the tranny cover is just such an awful task,
I hope to never do it again.

I believe I (or you) could get at the reverse switch
with a little bit of ingenuity, a rorozip and some cajones
thrown in. My tranny cover has an opening for the wires.
The switch is just below - 2 spades I'm thinking.

Yes, the switch is underneath the tranny cover.
Yes, the power wire is green
Yes, the sending wire is green with brown stripe.

Me? I'd pull back the tranny tunnel carpet piece ,
find the tranny tunnel hole for wires, widen it with
a rotozip until I could finger touch the switch.

The reverse switch is power fed off the same green wire lead
that feeds the brake light switch.

But then, I could be dead wrong and full of hot air!!
I know very little but i take good photos!

reverseswitch.jpg
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