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Does anyone have experience with piston liners in an 18v engine? in the attached pic you can see the liner, i think, do the replacements have that egg shaped piece? or am i imagining things? I will certainly need to replace the liner as you can see the large divot in the cylinder wall where a piece of the number two piston got stuck and gouged the wall. Is there anything special i should know? If it is not egg shaped in this area, will the machine shop re machine the valve cut outs?

tia

mark
 
You talking about the bulge out the side in the photo about two o'clock?
That's just the carbon buildup and the head gasket.
MGB 18V, to my recollection, did not use liners, but, some, to salvage baddy bored blocks, did hard sleeve them.
 
Mark, I would take it to a machine shop and have them look at it and if it's a candidate for rebuild, have it bored and put in oversize pistons. The "egg" your talking about is probably a cut out for valve clearance. Going that far, I'd put in all new bearings etc. Check the cam while your at it. If you don't need to replace the cam and lifters, make sure the old lifters are numbered and go back in the same holes. PJ
 
I recently ran into this, using a late model 1979 18V block, it was standard bore, we put the stripped block (including removing cam bearing) into his "hot" caustic vat for a good degreasing, and intial cleaning, then we started boring the block, this is to be 1900cc block (.080" over) we decided we go in two stage the first one being .040" then work from there to get to the final bore size, the cylinder took the .040 bore just lovely on all 4 bores, so now we went back to #1 and went for .030" cut, and thats where the trouble began. a well hidden from the top, a sleeve appear and start to spin with the boring bore, so we abandoned that cylinder, and got the block back off the boring stand and looked at it harder from the bottom for a sleeve. Ok the proper way to install a sleeve would be bore down the cylinder and leave a step on the bottom of the original clyinder to push the sleeve down to, thus leaving them no possible way to ever move, stepped to the bootom of the cylinder bore and captured on the top with the head, this is how almost every machine shop would do this job, however late in the 70s when BL was hurting for money , they pull blocks out of production, that failed quality control on bore size, that they use just throw away and now sent them out for sleeving, they speced the sleeves, they are normally way thinner than normal sleeves a machine shop was use. OK the crappy thing about how the factory puts sleeves in, is they just knock them and all the way down the cylinder and with no step and often a little sleeve hanging out the bottom, I've seen this on plenty of later 1275s, but this is the first MGB block I had ran into done this way, all 4 cylinder were sleeved the engine looked otherwise upopened before when I diassembled it, so I have no doubts this was a factory sleeved block.

Look at the bottom of your clyinder if you don't see where the sleeve was stepped into the original cylinder, and if you can see the sleeve coming all the way thru the cylinder to very bottom, then you'll know what you have, machine shop, or factory installed sleeves. I can say with little experience solidly proved what all factory sleeves are as for thickness, but we had to go well over .060" to distrub them, and even though I don't like the way the factory installed sleeves (stepless), they were still there after 3+ decades, so something has to be said for that. I would not be scared to build one of these block again, just not at 1900cc. I think I would easily trust the factory sleeves for a .040" over bore, and it all else you need to sleeve one cylinder your machinist can always sleeve the offending bore, I've had MGB racing blocks that got sleeved and then resleeve and worked out great.

AS for your question onthe exhaust valve cut out at the top of the bore, if a machine shop installed a sleeve into cylinder they would have to dress the exahsut valve notch back into the top of the bore, they would likely do this with a die grinder and mounted stone and cartridge rolls, just blending the old and new together, not a big deal.

Hope this helps.
 
Thanx Hap!
It sure looks to me like there are liners in there. From the bottom it looks like they are not stepped. I will take a better look today. Try cleaning it up a bit...

As for the cam and lifters there are complete pictures of the tear down Here https://s815.photobucket.com/albums/zz79/SilentUnicorn/MGB%2018V%20CARNAGE/

This engine is toast! 100K+ miles. While the lower end was still in it i was rocking the crank and could visually see the play in the rod bearings- well at least on the 3 that were not seized. Check out those push rods.

m
 
I've seen a lot of "factory patches" over the decades.
Latest on to come to light:

Ford Explorers, 4.0L "X" engines.

From about 1990 to about 1998, seems they had line bore issues......"patched" by boring out the line .015" over (yes, fifteen thou), and having special bearings made with a .015" OS OD.

I've got the bulletin from the rebuilders.....my brother has a block.


I've seen flatmotors with sleeves (dry) on one bank, both banks, or none.
Core Shift.
Used to be able to buy .083" OS pistons and rings.....because the sleeve was .083" OD bigger than standard.
 
Here are some other pics... got one from the bottom too. sure looks like there could be a liner there. The engine did not appear to have ever been opened up.

m
 
One of the factory salvage jobs.
Watch out when you bore it.
They are not pop-out, pop-in units.
Seen it done.......you don't want to see it done.
 
Yep, if comes all the way to the bottom of the cylinder and does not sit on a step, it's a factory sleeve. If factory sleeved, don't be shocked to find all 4 bores are sleeved, in all factory sleeve blocks I ran across, this was the case.
 
Wonder what the OD of the sleeves is and if it would be possible to remove the sleeves, finish the resulting bore and just have larger pistons made to suit?
 
Flathead Fords you could do that.
The bore was .083" bigger, and you could buy .083 pistons and rings!
 
billspohn said:
Wonder what the OD of the sleeves is and if it would be possible to remove the sleeves, finish the resulting bore and just have larger pistons made to suit?

Bill as mentioned above, we didn't have any issues with the factory sleeve in the block we bore a week or so ago, until we went pretty big, about .070" is what it took to spin the sleeve in the bore, so 1900cc and 1950cc off the shelf pistons already exist for these blocks. I wouldn't state my claim on every factory sleeve being the same thickness though, and it sort of a crappy way to to install a sleeve (no step on the bottom) so I would not consider these great blocks for anyhting other than big bore engine, and maybe not even for that. Sure you could resleeve any cylinder, but with MGB parts it starts to be a cost issue, MGB stuff is dime a dozen, so getting a block that doiesn need all this is for sure less expensive.

I also seen this for years in the A series 1275 blocks, and you can make a 1380cc out of them, but not much else, again too common to spend big money resleeving. Also if you are working with a block like this where extra boring and sleeves needing to be bored out, fully expect the bore job to triple or quadruple in price.

At some point if MGBs become rare (we'll all be dead and gone by then), which I doubt will ever happen, maybe these blocks might be worth something, but for now they are best served as scrap iron or boat anchors :smile:
 
Hap said:
but for now they are best served as scrap iron or boat anchors :smile:

:lol: :iagree:
 
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