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Numbers On the car!
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jdubois
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tr3aguy said:
Get a heritage certificate. That'll tell you the original numbers for your car.
https://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/pages/exhibitions/exhibitions_archive_services.html
There should be a body number and VIN plate in the engine bay, pull those numbers and let us know what they are.
BTW - the "numbers matching" thing is generally not a big deal for LBC folks. Engine and transmissions were frequently swapped and many things on TR3a - TR6 can be swapped. Even from the factory they were somewhat "loose" on what made it into what car.
If you really want to go down that path there should be an engine number on the block and there is a transmission number somewhere on the transmission, moved around some in location, and likely almost impossible to see/find without pulling the transmission.
Let us know what you find.
BTW - the "numbers matching" thing is generally not a big deal for LBC folks. Engine and transmissions were frequently swapped and many things on TR3a - TR6 can be swapped. Even from the factory they were somewhat "loose" on what made it into what car.
If you really want to go down that path there should be an engine number on the block and there is a transmission number somewhere on the transmission, moved around some in location, and likely almost impossible to see/find without pulling the transmission.
Let us know what you find.
jdubois
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I don't think they even list the gearbox number on the heritage certificate, so I don't know how you'd know if it was original or not. If I recall correctly, they list the commission, body, and engine numbers. They're also not always right. The old records are hand scrawled and often hard to read. They got both my TR3 and my Spit wrong, but cheerfully corrected them and sent a new certificate when I got in contact with them and they agreed they'd read it wrong.
Don Elliott
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You need to give the Heritage Center the TS number that is on the Commission Number plate. If you have the correct and original plate, it's possible that the number on yours may be correct. But many number plates were swopped by previous owners just to get a TR title that would be accepted. Mine reads TS 27489 LO and is the original plate that came with my 1958 TR3A when I bought it brand new in May, 1958. The "L" is for "Left hand drive" and the "O" indicates it left the factory with the overdrive option installed.
New blank Comm. No. (VIN) plates are available from the usual TR parts suppliers, but the printing fonts are different, so if the fonts on your plate look identical to mine it means that your plate came from the factory on a new TR. It might mean it came on your TR or on another TR.
The number on the engine should be about 300 to 400 numbers higher because Standard-Triumph sold some TR engines to Morgan. This the second clue.
My engine number is stamped into the side of the engine block on the flat milled spot just to the rear of the distributor. Mine reads reads TS 27789 E (The "E" is for Engine). If your numbers are this close, there is a strong probability that these would be considered "matching numbers" by the judges at a TRA concours event.
My EB number above the battery box reads EB 27710 which is another clue.
You don't need to concern yourself about the number on the frame (like Z 28) or the ones on the differential, the gearbox or the overdrive casing.
New blank Comm. No. (VIN) plates are available from the usual TR parts suppliers, but the printing fonts are different, so if the fonts on your plate look identical to mine it means that your plate came from the factory on a new TR. It might mean it came on your TR or on another TR.
The number on the engine should be about 300 to 400 numbers higher because Standard-Triumph sold some TR engines to Morgan. This the second clue.
My engine number is stamped into the side of the engine block on the flat milled spot just to the rear of the distributor. Mine reads reads TS 27789 E (The "E" is for Engine). If your numbers are this close, there is a strong probability that these would be considered "matching numbers" by the judges at a TRA concours event.
My EB number above the battery box reads EB 27710 which is another clue.
You don't need to concern yourself about the number on the frame (like Z 28) or the ones on the differential, the gearbox or the overdrive casing.
