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More Idiocy For Your Entertainment

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I wouldn't call it a "street car" per se.

The fact that he'd spun it 4 times already on a track day ought to have been enough to get him pulled off. Twice is the limit on all the ones I've ever been to...
 
I'm bothered by the "It's a Porsche (or whatever),
& because I'm driving it Iknow what I'm doing" attitude.
And also people who accept HUGE settlements just for the money.
She should be reasonably compensated for her loss,with
the emphisis going to make sure this doesn't happen to someone else.
I'm sure that the lawyers came out very well on this case.

- Doug
 
In the age of reckless litigation, I can see these PDXs going away...

Too bad for Corey Rudl though...
I bet he never wanted to be remembered as a spoiler.
 
I think PDXs or HPDE serve a purpose for a up and coming race car driver to get over his first time on track jitters, but sadly enough they are turning into something else. What these types of events are turning into is idiots in fast cars driving way over thier head being taught by very low level of skill instructors, most of these PDXs or HPDE don't pay instructors or pay them peanuts so most talented racers could care less about instructing these events, and all you get is guys with egos, rather than talent.

I give you all an example when I finished my SCCA FP car back in the late 90s, I wanted to go back to SCCA drivers school, maybe I could have got waived to a regional license, but I decided I would go back to atleast one school. Well SCCA drivers school are spread out thru the season and I wnet to a Car Guys school just to get some seat time, now mind you I had already held a SCCA national license in the past, been to a couple of runoffs as driver, and probably had 25 SCCA wins under my belt. My instructor while a nice guy, didn't have a clue, he kept trying to get me to take off my rear sway bar off, gave me all kind of bad advice about lines at Road Atlanta. He made me me follow him for two session, this poor guy couldn't find a apex with a magnifying glass, finally on the third seesion he told me he would lead me out and after a couple of laps would give me a passing signal and to see if I could stay in front of him. Well sure enough he gave the passing signal, I passed him and after the back straight I never saw him again, my crew reported to me I was turning 8 seconds a lap faster than him. I can tell you I was not impressed by what I saw a Car Guys, I saw people in Porsches, Corvettes, Ferraris, heck even a 333SP Ferrari sport racer, blasting down straight and parking in corners, when a MG Midget race car can turn faster lap times than a 333SP Ferrari sport racer, then someone is not doing a good job of instructing or driving. Personally I think it ought to be law or something for rookie track day guys, nothing over 200hp, until you know what you're doing. We've got way too many rich, untalented folks out there driving super cars way above their talent range.
 
When I read this, I keep thinking about the video of the imbecile in the Audi that did the rounds last year...
 
I never could understand how you are suppose to teach someone the limits when you are going so fast. Granted some people just have it, but the vast majority of the people at these DE events don't.
 
I guess my biggest gripe about em would be how tracks have been catering to & designed for the country club crowd.

Take for example BeaveRun, a Wilson design that is two long straights connected by a hairpin on one side and a small Auto-X circuit on the other.

Designed as Hp tracks, these things are boring and very hard on brakes.

But they have everything a HPX driver wants....Speed with little consequence.
 
I have done the track days for a few years now, both with my GTO (2004) and my 2005 CTS-V, and you are right about the differing skill levels.

Many of these drivers all think about the HP and speed, with little regard for stopping power!

I have been lucky I suppose and have never seen car-to-car contact, although I have seen plenty of drivers off-road for the agricultural tour! Most decent run groups park you after 2 off-track excursions and even then, you report to hot pits and have a talk with god!

The CTS-V hits 130 with ease, but just because it can has never meant that I should...flag control gives me the green to take the track, but I make sure that when I take the track I get our and off line until I am up to speed....
 
WhatsThatNoise said:
I guess my biggest gripe about em would be how tracks have been catering to & designed for the country club crowd.

Take for example BeaveRun, a Wilson design that is two long straights connected by a hairpin on one side and a small Auto-X circuit on the other.

Designed as Hp tracks, these things are boring and very hard on brakes.

But they have everything a HPX driver wants....Speed with little consequence.

I very much agree!
 
A Ferrari Club Track Day participant was overheard telling his instructor, "I don't want to learn anything, I just want to go fast".
 
Went to Nelson Ledges at the beginning of last year for a PDX...
Most of us were in cars w/ cages and there for T&T, bedding brakes, scrubbing tires, running in engines ect.

The track guy met us in the tech shed about 7:30 for the driver's meeting before deciding how to run things for the day.

He kinda just glanced around and said...
Looks like most of the pretty cars are at BeaveRun today...
You guys just wanna go green until lunch?
 
i have to agree about track days... as chief instructor for two of these events in the past, I swore off them all together and informed our region of the SCCA that I felt this was a catastrophe waiting to happen.

Even with just passing on the straight with a wave by for safety reasons, the driving still proved idiotic.

Way too much disparity between vehicles, drivers... but most of all, immature drivers, first time on a high speed race track, suffering from the red mist... literally driving way over their head...it was way too scary!!! Cripes I was in an open top Sprite, no roll bar, and only a normal safety belt...I have never felt so exposed in my life!

I have held a SCCA license, since 1975, and then, you had to have a prepared car and an SCCA drivers school (an honest six hours in those days) but having that experience and instruction was way more beneficial for my safety on the track. Yes, it would have been nice to simply get on the track without that commitment (race car, tow vehicle trailer just to start)...but who knows, I may have found myself upside down in my MGA in a percarious position.

As these events continue to gain in popularity, we are going to see more litigation issues such as these...
 
bobmga62 said:
Way too much disparity between vehicles, drivers... but most of all, immature drivers, first time on a high speed race track, suffering from the red mist... literally driving way over their head...it was way too scary!!! Cripes I was in an open top Sprite, no roll bar, and only a normal safety belt...I have never felt so exposed in my life!
Just found this picture...
We had just gotten our cars and were at BeaveRun trying to figure out how to keep them on the gray stuff.

I remember not being able to see out of either mirror and having no peripheral vision due to the HANS.

I could easily have slaughtered someone.

Never noticed that there was a guy behind us on grid /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

P1010283.jpg
 
Dave--

I am able to rotate my head in either direction fully 90 degrees before coming up against the HANS helmet tethers. Perhaps you can adjust yours a bit longer.
 
WhatsThatNoise said:
Never noticed that there was a guy behind us on grid /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Looks like Bruce Stutzman's TR4.
 
Michael Oritt said:
Dave--

I am able to rotate my head in either direction fully 90 degrees before coming up against the HANS helmet tethers. Perhaps you can adjust yours a bit longer.
I'm afraid if I make it any looser my head will pop off.
The tethers are at their max recommended extension.

Anyway...I've gotten used to it now.
And I finally got my mirrors set up perfectly.

I really don't have to move my head at all to see anything.
Wearing that HANS has forced me to spend hours fiddling w/ those mirrors. /bcforum/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hammer.gif
 
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