T-Series MGTC takes Hemmings Best in Show

[ronzet]

Steve,

ARGH, yet another A that looks better than mine....

 

[Steve_S]

It looks better in photos than in person. Remember what I do for a living.

 

[Silverghost]

The car, the hair or the driver???

I just COULDN'T resist that!!! :laugh:

 

[tony barnhill]

Of course it's no big deal, but there's no reason to not put accurate information out there! Many books from "reputable" authors contain a lot of errors, especially when it comes to originality in old cars. Even Original MGB, which is considered to be the bible of MGB restoration, is full of errors.

True...I know MGB's & GT's & am learning about Midgets...the only thing I know about the T series is what I needed to restore mine....on the way out of town today I had to stop by the body shop where I got a chance to look at his old book of paint chips/formulas...it says Sequoia Cream is correct for my 1953 MG.....however, that book was produced about the same time as BL homolgated the industry & changed the names/codes of many of the paints....same old paint chip book also says Ivory is correct for TC's & early TD's changing to Sequoia later in the run....who knows what's correct anymore!

 

[Steve_S]

If it was a BL book then it probably listed currently available colors, which would be different than what was available in the 1940's or 50's. Sounds like they have the colors bass ackwards.

 

[tony barnhill]

I dunno - I'm gonna look at some more of my books/resources tomorrow just for personal curiosity....the 2 formula's aren't enough different to make any difference though!

 

[ronzet]

Steve,

So that I <span style="text-decoration: underline">can</span> remember (since I don't know)... :smirk:

You are a Photographer, photojournalist, ? :confuse:

 

[tony barnhill]

TCs did not come in Ivory. They came in the following colors:

Regency Red
Sequoia Cream
Shires Green
Clipper Blue
Black

Sequoaa Cream however was sometimes called Ivory, so perhaps that's where the confusion lies.

Found your reference for those colors, Steve...<span style="text-decoration: underline">T Series Restoration Guide</span> by Malcolm Green.


& here's my earlier quote:

Page 71 of <span style="text-decoration: underline">MG T Series in Detail</span> by Paddy Willmar says "The very early TCs came in Black - shades of Henry Ford though obviously caused by postwar supply difficulties - but colours later available included MG Red, Regency Red, Shires Green, Almond Green, Ivory and Clipper Blue."

Think, as I said earlier, we're all saying the same thing differently depending on which author we read....Green calls the TC color Sequoia Cream & the TD color Ivory; Willmar calls the TC color Ivory and the TD color Ivory (page 98: <span style="font-style: italic">"Paint options offered on the TD were initially the same colours as the TC has been produced in, namely Red, Green, Ivory, Blue or Black...Early in 1951 two new colours were added, Autumn Red and Sun Bronze...This continued more or less through the production of the TD, except that by 1953 the colour choices had been narrowed down to MG Red with Red trim, Woodlands Green with Green trim, Ivory with Red or Green trim, Silver Streak Grey with Red trim or Black with Red or Green trim."</span>).

On https://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm he calls the TD color Ivory.

However, the paint code for Sequoia Cream is YL5 (I know that because of the research we did on the paint for mine)...the same as Ivory (YL5).

The same with old original lacquer paint chips/codes (I've got access to all the old lacquer codes from 1948 until 1976): the old original lacquer code for Ivory in 1948 was U7054 & the old original lacquer code for Ivory in 1953 was U7054. It was used on both Austin Healeys & MGs in 1948 & 1953 & neither year's listing of original lacquer colors mentions Sequoia Cream.

No telling who originally called it Sequoia Cream but the earliest place I found it in writing, like I said earlier, was in the later complete listing of MG paint colors after British Leyland homolgated all the paint codes/names (that might also be where Malcolm Green also found it!).

This has been a fun exercise & I think I might've learned something about MG paint codes & the discrepancies in them!

 

[Mickey Richaud]

I think I might've learned something about MG paint codes & the discrepancies in them!

You said it! Sure makes concours judging a challenge, I would think!

 

[Steve_S]

Ivory is a generic term for anything creamy-white. The correct name for a color on a car is what the vehicle manufacturer calls it, not what somebody wrote in a book decades later. I'm glad you enjoyed the research though. It's a good example of why we should never trust any single third party source when it comes to historical information.

Steve,

So that I <span style="text-decoration: underline">can</span> remember (since I don't know)... :smirk:

You are a Photographer, photojournalist, ? :confuse:

Close, I'm a cameraman in video and film. Photography is simply a hobby related to my profession.

 

[tony barnhill]

Ivory is a generic term for anything creamy-white. The correct name for a color on a car is what the vehicle manufacturer calls it, not what somebody wrote in a book decades later. I'm glad you enjoyed the research though. It's a good example of why we should never trust any single third party source when it comes to historical information.

& it appears that for years both M.G. & MG called it Ivory & then British Leyland started calling it Sequoia Cream.

 

[Mickey Richaud]

And then there's "Pearl White", a TR color which I used for the restoration of my '57 TR3 - more a very pale yellow. The modern equivalent was a Toyota color a bit paler than the Sequoia Cream/Ivory/whatever that MG had. Very pretty colors, at any rate.

And Ford had "Wimbledon White" during the 70's and '80's that was very close to Old English White.

 

[MadRiver]

Hi gang:

As requested, here's my old man getting the best in show trophy:

Along with a link to a nice note on the Hemmings site:

Click here please!

B.

 

[tony barnhill]

Oh, man, what a beautiful car...makes me wish I'd gone with the green interior!

 

[jlaird]

Just plain lovely.