TR2/3/3A Long Door anyone

[TomMull]

Not much bidding so far and I imagine the reserve is quite high. Any thoughts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR...65568031:g:OBIAAOSwxp9W8C5l&item=152024023089
Tom

 

[2long]

The car is gorgeous for sure. But I hate to break it to the guy that the engine is very likely a replacement.

Dan

 

[Mickey Richaud]

Don't know that I've ever seen a green that dark! The British Racing Green was much lighter. And I'm pretty sure that "Fawn" interior was more brown than that.

However, it does present fairly well. And there are eight days left to bid. Might be fun to watch.

 

[mgf]

Not much bidding so far and I imagine the reserve is quite high. Any thoughts?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR...65568031:g:OBIAAOSwxp9W8C5l&item=152024023089
Tom

Tom, Your post is a good motivation for me to do some amateur estimating.

My 1st WAG is somewhere between $27.6K & $35.7 & probably closer to $35.7K. I used Hagerty's Evaluation FMV's.

Obviously, there may be adjustments required after an actual "hands-on" inspection.

Maybe this will spurn more speculation?

mgf

 

[TomMull]

The car is gorgeous for sure. But I hate to break it to the guy that the engine is very likely a replacement.

Dan

Perhaps a bit more information, Dan. Owner admits to modified intake and exhaust. I am not all that familiar with early engines but I see nothing obviously wrong with this one. Wat am I missing?
Tom

 

[CJD]

I'll bet the reserve is over $40k. If not I'll be bulldozing mine into the lake!

 

[2long]

Hi Tom:

My comment is purely my own opinion. TR2 engine numbers ran quite consistently a bit higher than the TS number due to a certain number of engines going to other cars, like Dorettis or Morgans or whatever. For example, my car is less than 10 away from this one in TS number (mine is TS 1911 LO, this one is TS 1920 L), and my engine is TS 2067E. That pattern does not fit this car, as the seller claims the engine # of TS1721E is original to the car. OF COURSE nothing Standard Triumph did was perfectly sequential, and I agree it is possible the engine was original to the car. But consider this - a fairly inexpensive Heritage trace on the TS number would confirm if the engine is original. The car was owned by an avid TRA club member who would have known how to verify, and the car is obviously a great car with a high dollar value, so why not verify? Again, just my opinion.

Dan

 

[CJD]

Heritage lost my TR2 info. They sent my money back.

 

[Kleykamp]

Sorry, I'm not buying the koolaid. Survivor?...New interior, a/m steering wheel, older not even good quality repaint. My opinion is that its just another "restore as you drive" project that would need a lot to make it worth anywhere near 20k. I live in Lexington, one hour from there, hard pressed not to go look at it out of curiousity. My '61 is far more original that it is and probably closer to being a survivor. A bad, old respray does not a survivor make. I'm curious as to what about this car makes it special.

 

[TomMull]

Hi Tom:

My comment is purely my own opinion. TR2 engine numbers ran quite consistently a bit higher than the TS number due to a certain number of engines going to other cars, like Dorettis or Morgans or whatever. For example, my car is less than 10 away from this one in TS number (mine is TS 1911 LO, this one is TS 1920 L), and my engine is TS 2067E. That pattern does not fit this car, as the seller claims the engine # of TS1721E is original to the car. OF COURSE nothing Standard Triumph did was perfectly sequential, and I agree it is possible the engine was original to the car. But consider this - a fairly inexpensive Heritage trace on the TS number would confirm if the engine is original. The car was owned by an avid TRA club member who would have known how to verify, and the car is obviously a great car with a high dollar value, so why not verify? Again, just my opinion.

Dan

Thanks for the clarification, Dan. There is certainly some confusion with the numbers cited in the ad. The Trace, if available, would be extremely important.
Tom

 

[CJD]

Sorry, I'm not buying the koolaid. Survivor?...New interior, a/m steering wheel, older not even good quality repaint. My opinion is that its just another "restore as you drive" project that would need a lot to make it worth anywhere near 20k. I live in Lexington, one hour from there, hard pressed not to go look at it out of curiousity. My '61 is far more original that it is and probably closer to being a survivor. A bad, old respray does not a survivor make. I'm curious as to what about this car makes it special.

I understand it's crazy... But this is a long door. It's not a 3A that there are 10s of thousands made. 20 k is way low.

 

[Kleykamp]

I understand it's crazy... But this is a long door. It's not a 3A that there are 10s of thousands made. 20 k is way low.

Actually I did a Hagerty search on both the TR2 and TR3 and the 3 runs slightly higher in value than the 2...For whatever reason. I don't frankly put a whole lot of stock in the Hagerty guide as they typically seem high. My opinion is that this particular car's description fits best at a Level 3 condition..certainly not a (1) concourse and arguably not (2) excellent. That would have it between 12,800 and 23,100. It will bring what it brings anyway.My point though is more that the seller, because he has a little history on the vehicle, is over selling the "survivor" aspect as it definitely is not a survivor with all the work that has been done to it. It's an old restoration with new interior. I might be being a little tough on it but an old orange peel,wrong color, flaking paint job is not a survivor with original paint. And we don't even know what the underside looks like. No disrespect but if someone pays 35K for this car thinking it has any value due to being a survivor, they got fooled.

 

[Andrew Mace]

Hi Tom:

My comment is purely my own opinion. TR2 engine numbers ran quite consistently a bit higher than the TS number due to a certain number of engines going to other cars, like Dorettis or Morgans or whatever. For example, my car is less than 10 away from this one in TS number (mine is TS 1911 LO, this one is TS 1920 L), and my engine is TS 2067E. That pattern does not fit this car, as the seller claims the engine # of TS1721E is original to the car. OF COURSE nothing Standard Triumph did was perfectly sequential, and I agree it is possible the engine was original to the car. But consider this - a fairly inexpensive Heritage trace on the TS number would confirm if the engine is original. The car was owned by an avid TRA club member who would have known how to verify, and the car is obviously a great car with a high dollar value, so why not verify? Again, just my opinion.

Dan

I would "argue" that it's extremely likely this is the original engine. The seller does state that the car is titled by engine number, which was common at the time in CA, as well as NY and some other states. It would be very unlikely, IMO, to have seen the rest of the car replaced around the engine whose number matches what is on the title. And it could be a simple case that this particular engine was pulled off the assembly line to rectify some minor fault and then put "back in the queue" later, or it could literally have been misplaced or somehow shuffled to the wrong end of a large batch of engines, getting it well "out of numerical order," which as everyone understands didn't mean all that much to begin with. Sure, a BMIHT certificate would clear up the confusion, but I'd be very suprised if that certificate does not have the numbers quoted by the seller.

 

[TomMull]

That car has been removed from eBay after showing very little interest. There were no bids over 12k, which is way too low, imo. Perhaps it has been sold locally or more hopefully, will show up somewhere soon again.
Tom

 

[CJD]

And...

....we'll never know!

The auction ended early, as the car is "no longer available. Guess it sold locally and we'll never see how much. Bummer. I doubt it was lack of interest, as no auctions really take off until the last day...usually the last 30 minutes.

 

[Geo Hahn]

...as no auctions really take off until the last day...usually the last 30 minutes.

Which is why, when I bought my most recent car on eBay, I called the seller, agreed on a price and had him add a 'Buy It Now' to the listing. Late evening the day before the auction was to end and it was all over.

Somehow it doesn't seem fair to encourage a seller to simply end an auction early but if a Buy It Now is added then it all stays w/I the eBay framework.

 

[TomMull]

Which is why, when I bought my most recent car on eBay, I called the seller, agreed on a price and had him add a 'Buy It Now' to the listing. Late evening the day before the auction was to end and it was all over.

Somehow it doesn't seem fair to encourage a seller to simply end an auction early but if a Buy It Now is added then it all stays w/I the eBay framework.

I'm sure this was in your best interest and maybe that of the seller too, but by removing the highest bid option, it limits value setting to two people, rather than to all of the bidders and potential bidders (some of whom might wait until the last second.) Would anyone have bid over the "buy it now" figure.
This is particularly significant when trends are being set on rare cars. One or two sales can determine the value. I guess one conclusion is that eBay is not the place for trend setting.
I am lately keeping a much closer eye toward "Bring a Trailer". Much better format but as yet quite limited selections.
Tom