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Quiet time this morning, and remembering living on my granddad's dairy farm back when my dad was overseas in WWII and thinking back for one thing, us kids drank milk right from the cows before any processing was done. The only processing was separating the cream from some of the milk for butter and what was left was used for butter milk. Granddad's cows were fed homegrown grain from the fields and Silage from the silos mixed with molasses. He never used insecticides on anything grown in the fields. The point is, all of us kids never got sick from drinking raw milk or eating anything on the farm! Today is another story with the ENRICHED feed fed to the cows and insecticides sprayed on everything. I wouldn't drink milk today without being pasteurized/homogenized. A lot of food products today are highly questionable, just read the ingredients on the packages. Sorry for the rant, I just wish we could go back a few years, I loved the 40s and 50s! :rolleyes2:
I do agree that technology in the medical profession has come a long way for the good of humanity! (y)
 
Paul - something I teach at Sturbridge: if you grow up on a farm, your body gradually develops immunities to most bacteria on the farm. So drinking raw milk from your own cows was unlikely to cause problems. But drinking raw milk from a dairy farm 20 miles *would* likely cause problems!

My ol' buddy Sylvester Graham, who traveled the USA in the 19th century, warning of the poisons and dangers in commercially produced foods.

 
I think if we grew food like we did back in the 40's, we wouldn't be able to feed the additional 6 billion people on this planet.
 
Sorry, I didn't intend to open a can of worms with this. :rolleyes2:
 
I like the idea of eating more local food. I like farmer's markets (except for the one in Lawton, which has become a bunch of middle aged white women selling over priced baked goods). I buy melons and honey from old guys that sell out of the back of pick ups on the side of the road (the best one is a guy who sells honey, pecans, and in the summer watermelons on Quanah Parker Trailway in Lawton, but lives over south of Cyril). I only buy beef from the grocery store in Elgin (the next town over), which buys its beef from the Apache cattle auction, (which is less than twenty minutes away).

There's plenty that we can do to avoid the overly processed stuff found at Walmart. But, I'm also a guy that cannot imagine living someplace with more people than cattle.
 
PAUL161 said:
Sorry, I didn't intend to open a can of worms with this. :rolleyes2:
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Kinda hard to post anything anywhere these days without doing that... ☹️
 
Current famine is due to local drought, conflict, distribution failure, poor cultivation practices and the like, not global inability to produce enough food for all. The famine now looming is that described by Paul Erlich in The Populatuon Bomb which Borlaug single handedly staved of for a long time with dwarf, low water consumption, high yield crops (wheat). Goal of Nobel is awards for "greatest benefit to mankind". Borlaug is high among the most appropriate.
Bob
 
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PAUL161 said:
Quiet time this morning, and remembering living on my granddad's dairy farm back when my dad was overseas in WWII and thinking back for one thing, us kids drank milk right from the cows before any processing was done. The only processing was separating the cream from some of the milk for butter and what was left was used for butter milk. Granddad's cows were fed homegrown grain from the fields and Silage from the silos mixed with molasses. He never used insecticides on anything grown in the fields. The point is, all of us kids never got sick from drinking raw milk or eating anything on the farm! Today is another story with the ENRICHED feed fed to the cows and insecticides sprayed on everything. I wouldn't drink milk today without being pasteurized/homogenized. A lot of food products today are highly questionable, just read the ingredients on the packages. Sorry for the rant, I just wish we could go back a few years, I loved the 40s and 50s! :rolleyes2:
I do agree that technology in the medical profession has come a long way for the good of humanity! (y)
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Paul
As a veterinarian and a the son of a dairy farmer I would say the milk produced on the dairy farms in the US and Canada is now far more safe for you to drink in a raw form than it was post WWII. I work daily to improve the quality of food produced on our local dairies and to improve the quality of life and health of the animals in my care. The dairy cow today produces 3x more milk than it did after the war And we now have about half the number of dairy cows. Diseases like brucellosis and TB have been eliminated from our farms and milk borne diseases are extremely rare in developed countries because of better animal health and pasteu. Pasteurization also provides added safety and increases the shelf life.

Raw milk has a taste that cannot be beat, however because it is an organic product pasteurization keeps the product safe. You are way more likely to get food poisoning from the head if lettuce or that raw chicken poorly handled on your kitchen counter. The only thing added to milk is Vit D and Vit A and this is because the heat treatment destroys these vitamins and the USDA has determined that milk and dairy products are a primary source of these vitamins. BST is no longer used in the industry ( while safe it was a PR nightmare). Dairy cow are still feed very simple feeds. Hay, silage, corn grain, SBM and canola meal and many human food byproducts (almond hulls, distillers grains, cotton seed etc) and vitamins and minerals. They are the ultimate recyclers, turning feestuffs we cannot digest into milk and meat. Many of those feeds would be destined for the landfill. Almond farming is totally dependent on cattle to recycle the byproducts of the industry. Two ground up nuts, water and fructose in a glass is not milk!

Regards
Dr Paul
 
apbos said:
Paul
As a veterinarian and a the son of a dairy farmer I would say the milk produced on the dairy farms in the US and Canada is now far more safe for you to drink in a raw form than it was post WWII. I work daily to improve the quality of food produced on our local dairies and to improve the quality of life and health of the animals in my care. The dairy cow today produces 3x more milk than it did after the war And we now have about half the number of dairy cows. Diseases like brucellosis and TB have been eliminated from our farms and milk borne diseases are extremely rare in developed countries because of better animal health and pasteu. Pasteurization also provides added safety and increases the shelf life.

Raw milk has a taste that cannot be beat, however because it is an organic product pasteurization keeps the product safe. You are way more likely to get food poisoning from the head if lettuce or that raw chicken poorly handled on your kitchen counter. The only thing added to milk is Vit D and Vit A and this is because the heat treatment destroys these vitamins and the USDA has determined that milk and dairy products are a primary source of these vitamins. BST is no longer used in the industry ( while safe it was a PR nightmare). Dairy cow are still feed very simple feeds. Hay, silage, corn grain, SBM and canola meal and many human food byproducts (almond hulls, distillers grains, cotton seed etc) and vitamins and minerals. They are the ultimate recyclers, turning feestuffs we cannot digest into milk and meat. Many of those feeds would be destined for the landfill. Almond farming is totally dependent on cattle to recycle the byproducts of the industry. Two ground up nuts, water and fructose in a glass is not milk!

Regards
Dr Paul
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Thanks, Doc for your input on this, much appreciated! I have a lot of happy memories from the farm as a kid, sometimes I wonder how us kids survived after some of the dumb things we did back then, like jumping down from the hay mow, about 25 feet, into a wagon load of loose hay for one, just for the fun of it. Even got the clutch stuck on a John Deere tractor and ran it through one of Grandpops barn doors! He wasn't very happy over that one! :thumbsup2:
 
PAUL161 said:
Thanks, Doc for your input on this, much appreciated! I have a lot of happy memories from the farm as a kid, sometimes I wonder how us kids survived after some of the dumb things we did back then, like jumping down from the hay mow, about 25 feet, into a wagon load of loose hay for one, just for the fun of it. Even got the clutch stuck on a John Deere tractor and ran it through one of Grandpops barn doors! He wasn't very happy over that one! :thumbsup2:
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You are welcome!

Oddly, I grew up on the farm when it was located in Southern California! We lived all those typical farm life experiences just a short drive to Disneyland, beaches and the San Gabriel mountains. The farm I was born on (Bellflower) was only 15 minutes to Knots Berry Farm! Suburban sprawl has consumed most of the dairy farms in Southern California (Ontario/Chino) , we moved the dairy to the Northern part of the state in the 80’s. Our place still exists (no longer a dairy) in Ontario, Ca and all the buildings and homes are still there well preserved. I do not go back very often as everything has changed. But it is comforting to know that part of my past still exists.
Regards
Paul
 
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