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Awful news about the cargo plane crash on take off thus full of fuel.

My condolences to all those affected.

With so many pilots on here I raise the issue that the port engine appears to be on fire upon rotation to take off.

What is the last minute go, no go point ?
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V1

Lots of factors in the go/no-go decision.

V1 is often called the “point of no return” for pilots—it’s the speed beyond which there’s no turning back, a takeoff decision speed. If something goes wrong before reaching V1, the pilot has the option to abort the takeoff and bring the aircraft to a safe stop. But once V1 is reached, the decision is made: the takeoff must continue, even if there’s a problem. At this point, stopping could be more dangerous than pressing forward.

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Aircraft Take-off Speeds: V1, Vr, and V2

Behind a successful take-off are three critical aircraft take-off speeds—V1, Vr, V2—that guide pilots through this crucial phase.
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I no longer have a "pilot's license", so I'll let folks with more experience chime in.

Tom M.
 
There is a speed that you reach during takeoff where you can no longer stop in the remaining runway available. That is normally the go or no go speed. Depending on the weight of the airplane, density altitude, and runway length, this can be before or after rotation speed. With a big airplane that is loaded with a lot of fuel, the worst case scenario is an engine failure/fire late in the takeoff roll. The loss of one engine at rotation is survivable and I have experienced it on two occasions. In this case, we do not know what else went wrong to cause the crash. These things are usually the result of a series of things that all add up to a bad ending.
 
Headed to Hawaii so probably loaded with as much fuel as it could carry. According to the radio guys, 7 confirm casualties so far and maybe as maybe as many as16 missing from the places where it hit.
 
NutmegCT said:
V1 is often called the “point of no return” for pilots—it’s the speed beyond which there’s no turning back, a takeoff decision speed. If something goes wrong before reaching V1, the pilot has the option to abort the takeoff and bring the aircraft to a safe stop
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I have often wondered if there should be exceptions to the V1 rule. For example, if the plane suffers some catastrophic failure, and the pilots know they're probably going to crash upon takeoff, and that by taking off they're going to crash into a more populated area than if they just abort and run off the end of the runway, would it make more sense to abort anyway?
 
Effectively turning an airport into an urban setting with buildings and stuff all around isn't the best idea but we see it happening as city areas expand. I would think that at least for the first mile or so past the ends of runways it should be open, no buildings, no big trees and so on just to be safe.
 
mikephillips said:
Effectively turning an airport into an urban setting with buildings and stuff all around isn't the best idea but we see it happening as city areas expand. I would think that at least for the first mile or so past the ends of runways it should be open, no buildings, no big trees and so on just to be safe.
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There was a 'runoff' recently somewhere with a lot of sandy dirt to slow the landing gear, no tragedy.
 
NutmegCT said:
I think you're talking about the EMAS. The local airport authority has the option of adding an EMAS area at the end of runways.


Note: it isn't effective for all a/c.

Latest NTSB briefing: https://thehill.com/video-clips/5593621-watch-live-ntsb-update-kentucky-ups-plane-crash/
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That is pitiful. I'm glad I no longer fly anywhere and I never will.
My wife is flying down to Southern California in December and we are both concerned.
I know commercial flight is even safer than driving but lately looks like they could do more.
 
equiprx said:
There was a 'runoff' recently somewhere with a lot of sandy dirt to slow the landing gear, no tragedy.
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That was here in Roanoke.Happened during a severe rain shower.
The pilot was advised not to land at that time.
 
Just heard from my son that he knew the First Office, Lee Truitt. Back before 2021, they both flew for Sky West. Shaun used to commute from Albuquerque to Chicago with him (they flew out of Chicago with Sky West). Not sure if he ever flew with him but probably so.
 
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Air Traffic Controller Shortage is a big problem! These guys, including pilots, are so overworked trying to keep up, it's devastating. They're also underpaid! FAA is shutting down some flights to ease the pressure on flight controllers. It's creating many travel problems for holiday and business travelers alike. My son, who flies everywhere, is coming here for Thanksgiving, is driving this time, and he even had a booked flight that he canceled. We're happy with that!
 
PAUL161 said:
Air Traffic Controller Shortage is a big problem! These guys, including pilots, are so overworked trying to keep up, it's devastating. They're also underpaid! FAA is shutting down some flights to ease the pressure on flight controllers. It's creating many travel problems for holiday and business travelers alike. My son, who flies everywhere, is coming here for Thanksgiving, is driving this time, and he even had a booked flight that he canceled. We're happy with that!
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Not really sure what this has to do with what is being discussed. ATC had nothing to do with is terrible accident.
There are still missing people.
 
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